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Quote: SmokeyTA "It makes massively more sense to build towards a 20 team SL ......
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No it does not.

It still leaves a huge gap between the top tier and "the rest" making it just as difficult to get in and just as painful if you had to drop out.

Quote: SmokeyTA ".......than a 10 team SL and a renamed championship. '"

You keep on with this myth!

The proposed two tier system would not contain a "renamed championship", it would be an SL2 with different teams, with proper funding and with a transparent method of moving up and moving down. It would give hope and targets for lower clubs to progress and provide a safety net for higher clubs.

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Quote: Dreamer "You keep on with this myth!

The proposed two tier system would not contain a "renamed championship", it would be an SL2 with different teams, with proper funding and with a transparent method of moving up and moving down. It would give hope and targets for lower clubs to progress and provide a safety net for higher clubs.'"


No, it would be a renamed second division. Whatever you call it, however many teams in that league and the leagues above and below it, it's the second tier of the sport. What's the history of TV and spectator interest in the second tier of sports?

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Quote: Richie "No, it would be a renamed second division. Whatever you call it, however many teams in that league and the leagues above and below it, it's the second tier of the sport. What's the history of TV and spectator interest in the second tier of sports?'"


...and your point is?

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Quote: Dreamer "No it does not.

It still leaves a huge gap between the top tier and "the rest" making it just as difficult to get in and just as painful if you had to drop out.'"
Why are we wanting clubs to drop out? If they are needing to drop out of a franchised SL then its not the dropping out of SL which is causing the problems, those problems are obviously already there.

Also which of 'the rest' are better of as an SL2 side than an SL side?

Quote: Dreamer "You keep on with this myth!

The proposed two tier system would not contain a "renamed championship", it would be an SL2 with different teams, with proper funding and with a transparent method of moving up and moving down. It would give hope and targets for lower clubs to progress and provide a safety net for higher clubs.'"
It is still a just a renamed championship. Except they have pulled the drawbridge up behind them. People aren’t going to come from miles around and fill up stadiums because Castleford are playing Leigh in tier 2 RL and their players are living the dream earning a massive £30k average

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Quote: Dreamer "...and your point is?'"


1. That renaming the 2nd tier isn't some magic answer.
2. When you answer the question I asked, you'll understand.

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Quote: Richie "Whatever you call it, however many teams in that league and the leagues above and below it, it's the second tier of the sport. What's the history of TV and spectator interest in the second tier of sports?'"


Another warped view. But, as you askedFootball League Championship (2nd tier of soccer in England)

Total match attendance in 2011/12 season: c 10 million.

TV: "From 2009–2012 Sky Sports have the rights to broadcast 65 live matches, live coverage of both legs of both play off semi finals and the play off final live.The BBC has the rights to show 10 first choice live games for the regular season as well as the rights to show a highlight show. The deal is on a three year contract and is worth £264m that will mostly be paid by Sky.Sky Sports will then take exclusive live rights to the Football League from 2013, having signed a three-year deal worth £195m. The new deal will include 75 live league games, all the play-off matches, 15 League Cup ties (including both semi-finals and the final) and selected Johnstone's Paint Trophy matches. Sky will also have highlights packages, with the free-to-air rights yet to be decided. "

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Quote: Wooden Stand "Another warped view. But, as you askedFootball League Championship (2nd tier of soccer in England)

Total match attendance in 2011/12 season

Two questions in response:
How does that compare to the top league, particularly the TV revenue?
Why do you think it's a "warped view" ?

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Why are we wanting clubs to drop out?
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Why were clubs dropped at the formation of SL?

Quote: SmokeyTA "It is still a just a renamed championship. Except they have pulled the drawbridge up behind them.'"

I can't recall saying anything about "pulling up drawbridges".

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Quote: Richie "1. That renaming the 2nd tier isn't some magic answer.
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The point is it isn't simply a "re-naming", there would be a different structure and different funding. That's like saying SL was simply a re-named Division One icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Wooden Stand "Another warped view. But, as you askedFootball League Championship (2nd tier of soccer in England)

Total match attendance in 2011/12 season
Just to keep some perspective that figure is one 12th of the Premier League figure. Should Sky be willing to give the championship one 12th of the SL figure we would get a massive grant of £1.2m, for the entire competition.

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Quote: Dreamer "The point is it isn't simply a "re-naming", there would be a different structure and different funding. That's like saying SL was simply a re-named Division One
It's still "tier 2" and as such of significantly lower interest than the top tier.

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Quote: Dreamer "Why were clubs dropped at the formation of SL?'"
They werent
Quote: Dreamer "I can't recall saying anything about "pulling up drawbridges".'"
Then the same problems would occur when a club dropped down from SL2 to what would be currently Championship 1 as what were apparent a couple of years ago when a club dropped from SL to the championship.

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The only way to make a supper league, 2 is to have two regional divisions, equally funded something like they have in American football, if you want relegation and promotion how can you have both leagues called super league, the people who run the clubs are not that daft as to think moving to SL2, is nothing more than being relegated, some of these richer clubs who keep spouting about ware not producing enough players, they should stop plundering all the young talent from the so called lesser clubs,and start producing there own, Castleford are bringing talented kids through constantly, but as soon as the bigger clubs come sniffing and telling them how much the grass is greener, and what they can offer, they become unsettled and want to go, some keep going on & on, we have not got enough quality for 14 clubs, coaches such as Mr, Smith, Gentle, and others should concentrate on bringing there youth through, then the playing pool might get bigger,
Wigan, St,Helen's, & Leeds, do there bit, London are starting to bring lads through but some of the teams with sugar daddies find it easier to poach other clubs talent, its time every club has at least 5 or 6 players from there academy in the full time squad, it has got to be looked at, and if a club is not doing its bit to bring players through rather than poaching other clubs youngsters should have there Sky money reduced, as they don't need it, when the franchises came in it was supposed to be that you had some stability, and to produce more home grown talent. if the richer clubs get there way, 10 will soon be 8, and that could be the start of the end, and if Sky don't up the funding where will the funds come from

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Quote: SmokeyTA "

Should Sky be willing to give the championship ....'"


Sky pays money for the right to broadcast rugby league in this country to the Rugby Football League.



Quote: SmokeyTA "
Why were clubs dropped at the formation of SL? '"

Quote: SmokeyTA "
They werent
'"

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Quote: Dreamer "Why were clubs dropped at the formation of SL?'"


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