I'd like to think that Fax could beat Widnes, Leeds and London, but it's not going to happen.

I'd vastly prefer that TO or London were promoted rather than TWP. My reason being that London built and have then had to rebuild a team, and TO have made steady but positive steps forward. TWP have just tried to buy a team to gain success, which doesn't feel like a solid and sustainable model for the future.

And therein lies the problem.

Toronto, IIRC are owned by a group of 10 or so investors, some Australian and some Canadian. Argyle is the figurehead, but there are other people writing cheques and I suspect that a few of them are expecting not to have to bankroll the side should they make SL..........there's no sign of a TV deal that will create income, no income from their shirt sponsor and very little gate revenue (my mate who runs PJ's was given 50 tickets to hand out to his customers for this weeks coming game....he was given them by a local brewer.)....

I fear for them once the owners discover that £1.8 million in sky cash won't even cover their players wages next year, that paying punters aren't as keen as ones with free tickets and that the'll need to bankroll them to the tune of £1,000,000 a year EVEN if they have 9,600 sell outs 11 times at £15 a ticket.......that is if they want to remain in SL.

Also, after all the bluster about finding converts from college football, they've gone very quiet on player development.....so will they be raiding the player pool and signing widnes players or looking to NSW/QLND cup sides for talent......?

There's more than one way of interpreting that sentence!

I’ll believe it when they’ve been around for a decade or so I’m not so sure they’ll go up this year they blew a great chance on Saturday 20-16 down 20 mins to go Salford down to 12 men and they couldn’t see the game out it may come back to haunt them

They'll still go up but only by default because Widnes are so bad.
A complete collapse by a SL side like this means that it's basically a shootout between two champ clubs for the fourth SL spot.
Toronto can effectively fail to beat any SL side and still get promoted.

No they are not, they usually languish in the bottom half of the league. That says they are not a top side.

Fair play to them with the Challenge cup, this alone does not make them a top SL side.

Were Wigan a top premiership club when they beat Man City in the FA cup final.

Only 4 clubs have won the cup in the last 10 years, and only 6 clubs in the last 20 years.

St Helens have a 58% win ratio, Wigan 57%.....these are top SL teams.
What part of a 42% win ratio are you struggling with?
A "Top SL team" wins more games that it loses and that would mean a 51% win ratio.....42 is a lesser number than 51.

It really shouldn't be that hard to admit that your "off the cuff" remark was incorrect, but you insist in continuing to dig yourself in

And Sheffield, Bradford and Halifax have all won the CC more recently than Cas, HKR, Huddersfield, Salford, Widnes and Wakefield with Featherstone having also done so more recently than all those 'super' clubs other than Cas..........

Over the regular season it was 43.3% and over the entire season to date it is 37%.....

Warrington, Wigan, Leeds, Hull and Catalans have won the CC in the last 10 years. I count that as 5. If you don't want to include Catalans, you'd have to include Saints, so that's all 5.

I also count 7 in 20 years. Add Saints and Bradford to the 5 above. But if you don't want to include Catalans result this year, then you'd have to include Sheffield in 1998 instead.

No idea what point you were trying to make, but thought I'd correct your stats.

They came 8th out of 12 in the regular season, and are still 8th after losing all 4 games so far in the 8's. How they started the season and why is irrelevant - to be a top side you need to perform throughout the season. They've improved and did well to win the CC, but a top SL side??

Ok, let's go back to 2017 and see if it was just a blip this season. Ah no, they escaped relegation by the skin of their teeth last year.

Save your breath. I tried to engage with Le Bron in an adult fashion and "it' continued to troll, whilst this one refuses to accept facts...no fear though, the ANZAC edition will be stirring from its slumber soon so we will have Joff's input.....