FORUMS > The Virtual Terrace > bradford bulls problems |
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 22320 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2006 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2024 | Sep 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
23521.jpg [quote="Tarquin Fuego":3e09qe5x] I love Jamie and have done since he was 10 years old. [/quote:3e09qe5x]
[quote="The Reason":3e09qe5x]Hi Andy
The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.
Regards,
Matthew[/quote:3e09qe5x]:23521.jpg |
|
| I'd keep them in.
They could end up losing fans, players and youth players.
Some of them they'll, and the game, lose will never get back.
This isn't football, we aren't big enough to lose clubs with such big followings.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 33944 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2004 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2016 | Mar 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
|
| Quote: Slugger McBatt "I said in the following paragraph, do what the rules say. So what do the rules say? If there is to be a vote to do something other than what the rules say, they clearly are a moveable feast. The point I was making that it would look like a conspiracy if the RFL do something other than what the rules say. I said at the start, I'm happy with four points. If there isn't a rule, fine, take a vote, do what you want. If the rules are not applied strictly, however, it is clear that different considerations apply to different teams.
Are the Bulls bigger than the game? No.
Sounds like your chip is bigger than mine.'"
I'd agree with you there slugger
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Moderator | 36786 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2003 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2024 | May 2023 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
6505_1460484023.jpg [i:10za56ci]Hold on to me baby, his bony hands will do you no harm
It said in the cards, we lost our souls to the Nameless One[/i:10za56ci]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6505.jpg |
Moderator
|
| Quote: Slugger McBatt "I said in the following paragraph, do what the rules say. So what do the rules say? If there is to be a vote to do something other than what the rules say, they clearly are a moveable feast. The point I was making that it would look like a conspiracy if the RFL do something other than what the rules say. I said at the start, I'm happy with four points. If there isn't a rule, fine, take a vote, do what you want. If the rules are not applied strictly, however, it is clear that different considerations apply to different teams.
Are the Bulls bigger than the game? No.
Sounds like your chip is bigger than mine.'"
AFAIK the rules only deal with a points deduction for entering admin. There is no mechanism for expelling a club from SL other than by majority vote of the member clubs. I understand that at the moment the voting may not be as clear-cut as I had thought it might be.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 2990 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2024 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
13977_1335458918.jpg :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_13977.jpg |
|
| No - Salford fan - we are in a tricky position it seems as well so would expect to be treated the same and all future Admins/Liquidations must start afresh. Consistency is what we need - if allowed to carry on then that sets the standard and all clubs in the same boat can point to that decision.
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 5846 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2006 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2024 | Jul 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
icons39ad_files/4821-1859san_c-msnicons.jpg Officially RLFAN's most Doe-eyed Happy Clapper.
Big Steve wrote:
The Internet has provided some wonderful creativity, opportunities and knowledge sharing but it has also given a worldwide forum for people you would leave a full pint behind in the pub to avoid having to listen to them.
aboveusonlypie...
If you don't bother to go to the game when you live in the locality then you are not really a fan and therefore your views are invalid. It's simple.:icons39ad_files/4821-1859san_c-msnicons.jpg |
|
| Quote: SmokeyTA "Believe me, the SPL will come to regret the short-sighted decision they took there.'"
Nonsense, they cheated and will pay the price. Smaller clubs will get good attendances, Rangers will have a good run of success for the fans and they will give great "press" as they come back.
The problem at Bradford is that RL, can't afford to kick the fans, because there would be no obvious route back to the top table. Coupled with the fact that the RFL own Odslum!!! No way will they be kicked out.
Incidently, if this was Wigan instead of Bradford, i wonder how many would want Wigan kicked out? Point is that many could be looking at this with biased eyes.....
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 22777 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2006 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jun 2020 | Feb 2018 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
//www.pngnrlbid.com
[quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35]
[quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]: |
|
| Quote: Wigan Peer "Nonsense, they cheated and will pay the price. Smaller clubs will get good attendances, Rangers will have a good run of success for the fans and they will give great "press" as they come back.
'"
And when Sky and ESPN renegotiate their contract, pulling millions of pounds out of the game?
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 3776 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2013 | Apr 2013 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
3586_1280057674.jpg :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3586.jpg |
|
| Bradford fan and if the club goes into liquidation and ceases to exist, I don't think they should be allowed to take their place back in Super League as if nothing had happened. I would be happy for the club to start again at the bottom and work their way back up into Super League. But then, if they don't come back in - are we left with 13 clubs? Why should someone take their place? Not sure how the licensing system works here, I guess the objective of the licensing system was that this situation would never arise. But yes, hopefully it won't come to that.
And maybe in the SPL teams will start to get real in terms of what they can afford to pay players etc, it will make for a more level competition and supporters will come flocking back to watch teams outside of the Old Firm (or Celtic, as they are now known in the SPL!).
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Moderator | 12646 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2007 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
33809_1522680904.png 'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_33809.png |
Moderator
|
| I assume we're talking about [iif[/i they were to be a newco rather than a rescued oldco. In which case, it is arguably about letting them 'enter' rather than 'stay'.
And it depends on the alternative - a 13 team SL? Unlikely.
Fairest (well best, at least) IMO, if SL stays at 14, would be to allow applications for the 14th spot from New Bradford and any Championship club that wants to throw its hat in the ring.
If New Bradford got themselves sorted they'd have a very good chance of being the best applicant.
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 22777 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2006 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jun 2020 | Feb 2018 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
//www.pngnrlbid.com
[quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35]
[quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]: |
|
| Quote: Leaf "
And maybe in the SPL teams will start to get real in terms of what they can afford to pay players etc, it will make for a more level competition and supporters will come flocking back to watch teams outside of the Old Firm (or Celtic, as they are now known in the SPL!).'"
Outside the old firm, the SPL is probably smaller than SL.
There only 2 stadiums in S[iP[/iL (outside the old firm) that can hold over 20k, Only one club averages over 10k, 4 clubs which cant get over 5k.
The old firm is the SPL, without their Sky money they wont be able to pay the wages, it would be much worse than SL because there are a massive number of leagues where even an average scottish player can go and earn a decent living. The quality of play will fall, attendances will fall, more clubs will go bust and the scottish league will be gone. This is the beginning of the end for that league.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 2866 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2010 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2019 | Nov 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
Mummy duck is now thoroughly depressed. SHE was the one that was famous for losing five in a row........until the 2011 GF!!!!!: |
|
| There appears to be two option which are getting confused.
If Bradford come through adminsitration then they will have the points deduction but will be perfectly at liberty to continue with their SL status until 2014.
If Bradford Bulls is liquidated Bradford Bulls no longer exists and therefore are no longer a SuperLeague team. The RFL will not have to do anything to remove them from SL. If Bradford Bulls is liquidated then Bradford New Co can apply to the RFL for member of SuperLeague. It is likley that the RFL will allow New Bradford to compete until the end of 2012 thus alllowing the fixtures to be completed. The RFL will then need to make a decision as to whether Bradord New Co will be permitted to stay until the next round of franchises are agreed. This is when the arguments will all start again as New Co will not have a proven financial record, will not have the relevant success history etc etc to qualify for membership as may people will lose sight of the fact that they are not Bradford Bulls any more
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 2866 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2010 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2019 | Nov 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
Mummy duck is now thoroughly depressed. SHE was the one that was famous for losing five in a row........until the 2011 GF!!!!!: |
|
| Quote: SmokeyTA "
There only 2 stadiums in SL that can hold over 20k, Only one club averages over 10k, 4 clubs which cant get over 5k.
.'"
I sure as hell hope you have missed a "P" out as there will be plenty of people from Wigan, Hull, Huddesfield, Warrington, Leeds etc who would like to join together and dispute your first two comments!
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 22777 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2006 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jun 2020 | Feb 2018 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
//www.pngnrlbid.com
[quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35]
[quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]: |
|
| Quote: mikej "I sure as hell hope you have missed a "P" out as there will be plenty of people from Wigan, Hull, Huddesfield, Warrington, Leeds etc who would like to join together and dispute your first two comments!'"
I did indeed. My apologies.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 17980 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2011 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
simpsons/simp006.gif :simpsons/simp006.gif |
|
| Quote: Wigan Peer "Nonsense, they cheated and will pay the price. Smaller clubs will get good attendances, Rangers will have a good run of success for the fans and they will give great "press" as they come back.
The problem at Bradford is that RL, can't afford to kick the fans, because there would be no obvious route back to the top table. Coupled with the fact that the RFL own Odslum!!! No way will they be kicked out.
Incidently, if this was Wigan instead of Bradford, i wonder how many would want Wigan kicked out? Point is that many could be looking at this with biased eyes.....
I dont think as a Wigan fan, you can take any moral high ground here.
It wasn't so many seasons ago that Wigan, looked like they may finish bottom and so they drove a double decker bus through the salary cap by signing Fielden (plus Radlinski coming to their aid) and then the Wigan "suits" ran rings around the rfl and effectiveley had their punishment halved.
Talk about pot and kettle
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 153 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2010 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2015 | Jul 2015 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| SL is a farce. London have been warned about their crowds, Wakey & Cas their grounds, all the clubs have been told financial probity is paramount yet no-one is actually punished for failing to deliver on their promises.
If we're going to have a franchise system (which I disagree with) Wakey should have been given the boot for going into administration, Bradford should be given the boot, Cas and Wakey (again) should get the boot if the stadiums don't materialise and London should get the boot if their crowds don't go up.
Alternatively we could behave like a sport and have success on the pitch determine which division a club is in.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Moderator | 36786 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2003 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2024 | May 2023 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
6505_1460484023.jpg [i:10za56ci]Hold on to me baby, his bony hands will do you no harm
It said in the cards, we lost our souls to the Nameless One[/i:10za56ci]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6505.jpg |
Moderator
|
| Quote: mikej "If Bradford Bulls is liquidated then Bradford New Co can apply to the RFL for member of SuperLeague. It is likley that the RFL will allow New Bradford to compete until the end of 2012 thus alllowing the fixtures to be completed. The RFL will then need to make a decision as to whether Bradord New Co will be permitted to stay until the next round of franchises are agreed. This is when the arguments will all start again as New Co will not have a proven financial record, will not have the relevant success history etc etc to qualify for membership as may people will lose sight of the fact that they are not Bradford Bulls any more'"
The RFL won't be making any decisions as they don't own SL. Any newco will need to be voted in by the remaining member clubs who [ido[/i on SL. The RFL can lobby for or against but the club chairmen will make the decision. As I mentioned earlier, the vote may be a lot closer than I thought it would be.
|
|
|
|
|
|