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| Quote: kobashi "I would love to see it happen but not when there will be no Australia. Then the fact that the NRL will not release players so NZ and Tonga for example will bring over weak sides.
It's gonna be a world cup where England walk away with the world cup with no genuine contest. This will be an absolute farce and I am shocked the RFL are still going along with this.
Also how will England react when they are told the international players who play in the NRL cannot play.'"
In my opinion that Philodox, Phil Gould is behind this and covid is just an excuse with the union teams from Oz and NZ coming here in October, and the Kiwi Crickets team just finishing a tour test series here
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| Quote: kobashi "I would love to see it happen but not when there will be no Australia. Then the fact that the NRL will not release players so NZ and Tonga for example will bring over weak sides.
It's gonna be a world cup where England walk away with the world cup with no genuine contest. This will be an absolute farce and I am shocked the RFL are still going along with this.
Also how will England react when they are told the international players who play in the NRL cannot play.'"
In my opinion that Philodox, Phil Gould is behind this and covid is just an excuse with the union teams from Oz and NZ coming here in October, and the Kiwi Crickets team just finishing a tour test series here
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| Quote: Huddersfield1895 "In my opinion that Philodox, Phil Gould is behind this and covid is just an excuse with the union teams from Oz and NZ coming here in October, and the Kiwi Crickets team just finishing a tour test series here'"
we are in a pandemic, the RFL/WC2021 needed to cancel it 7 weeks ago but sure, blame the NRL.
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| Quote: Sadfish "we are in a pandemic, the RFL/WC2021 needed to cancel it 7 weeks ago but sure, blame the NRL.'"
The ARLC used covid as excuse
You can't the fact that the Kiwi Cricket team have just been here and the union national sides from NZ and OZ are coming over here this autumn.
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| I am sure the organisers will be pursuing diplomacy in their conversations with the NRL....sorry, ARL/NZRL, but simply put, just show them this.........
UNION rlhttps://www.autumn-internationals.co.uk/2021/rl
BRITISH ISLES FOOTBALL
rlhttps://www.skysports.com/football/teams/england/fixturesrl
rlhttps://www.skysports.com/football/teams/scotland/fixturesrl
rlhttps://www.skysports.com/football/teams/republic-of-ireland/fixturesrl
rlhttps://www.skysports.com/football/teams/wales/fixturesrl
WORLD CRICKET
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......If Isolation and simply chasing the same dollars as the AFL is the height of their ambition, then cut them loose, because this is making the game look tin pot in terms of being an "international" sport.
I can't see the cup going ahead unless the NRL will release players.....
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| I received this email after today’s meeting regarding World Cup.
The Rugby League World Cup 2021 (RLWC2021) Board held their scheduled meeting earlier today. While the Board reiterated the determination to deliver the biggest and best ever Rugby League World Cup in history, they are also realistic about the significant challenges that threaten that ambition.
In light of the decision by the ARLC and NZRL to withdraw from the event this year, the Board have asked that the RLWC2021 team continue to hold further urgent discussions with all stakeholders, particularly the players, aimed at correcting misinformation as well as measuring the sentiment on proceeding with the tournament this year.
The RLWC2021 Board recognise the need to bring clarity and certainty to the situation. They have also underlined the relentless collaborative work that has been ongoing since the beginning of the pandemic to establish the most safe and secure environment for all involved - in line with other world class major events that have taken place successfully in the UK in 2021.
We want to thank you for your continued support and patience and we will communicate any further developments as soon as possible.
Thank you again for your support,
RLWC2021 Team
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| Quote: orangeman "Yep.....I can....and again......they may not be dying from just covid, but without covid they wouldn't have died...the numbers of bodies may well be down to 110,000 hit and friggin runs......but they're there....in black and white!
rlhttps://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsintheukfrom1990to2020rl
some people are just too stupid for their own good
Your figures..1990 to 2021.
So, there were 608,002 all cause deaths in 2020 and in 1990 there were 564,846 but please bear in mind the population has risen from 57 and a half million in 1990 to almost 68 million in 2020, a rise of almost 11,000,000.
Without doing the maths I would say there are less deaths per head of population now than a “corona virus” free 1990.
Also, 2019 to 2020
67,530,161 2019 UK population
67,886,011 2020 UK population
Pop rise 356, 000
Wouldn't this account for an increase in deaths between 2019 and 2020? Not to forget the rise in mortality due to cancelled operations, diagnosis and suicides. And to say “but without covid they wouldn't have died.” is quite a sweeping statement from you but perhaps more true than you realise given the aforementioned knock on effect of this covid scam.
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| Quote: Sadfish "we are in a pandemic, the RFL/WC2021 needed to cancel it 7 weeks ago but sure, blame the NRL.'"
An almost 99% surrvival rate cannot realisticly be called a "pandemic". And that's before the so called vaccine.
Come on, lets have a World Cup.
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| Quote: Miro "Your figures..1990 to 2021.
So, there were 608,002 all cause deaths in 2020 and in 1990 there were 564,846 but please bear in mind the population has risen from 57 and a half million in 1990 to almost 68 million in 2020, a rise of almost 11,000,000.
Without doing the maths I would say there are less deaths per head of population now than a “corona virus” free 1990.
Also, 2019 to 2020
67,530,161 2019 UK population
67,886,011 2020 UK population
Pop rise 356, 000
Wouldn't this account for an increase in deaths between 2019 and 2020? Not to forget the rise in mortality due to cancelled operations, diagnosis and suicides. And to say “but without covid they wouldn't have died.” is quite a sweeping statement from you but perhaps more true than you realise given the aforementioned knock on effect of this covid scam.'"
Are you that despeate to "prove" a point ?
I'm sure that you have done thorough research on this and yet you cherry pick 2 particular years.
How about looking at the deaths in the UK over the last 5 years.
This graphic puts things into context, without some dubious "cherry picking":
2020 608,002 59,829 1,016.20 1,043.50
2019 530,841 59,440 893.1 925
2018 541,589 59,116 916.1 965.4
2017 533,253 58,745 907.7 965.3
So, with fairly constant population, just short of 60 million, there were 60-70,000 additional deaths last year.
(figures from the ONS, mind you, in your world, they will be in on the conspiracy)
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Are you that despeate to "prove" a point ?
I'm sure that you have done thorough research on this and yet you cherry pick 2 particular years.
How about looking at the deaths in the UK over the last 5 years.
This graphic puts things into context, without some dubious "cherry picking":
2020 608,002 59,829 1,016.20 1,043.50
2019 530,841 59,440 893.1 925
2018 541,589 59,116 916.1 965.4
2017 533,253 58,745 907.7 965.3
So, with fairly constant population, just short of 60 million, there were 60-70,000 additional deaths last year.
Sorry to trouble you wrencat but I was refering to Orangemans stats, 1990 to 2020 He posted them, not me. You need to read past the first lines of a post.
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| Quote: Miro "Sorry to trouble you wrencat but I was refering to Orangemans stats, 1990 to 2020 He posted them, not me. You need to read past the first lines of a post.'"
First line or last line, these numbers put the spike in deaths last year into context.
I thought that would be helpful ?
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "First line or last line, these numbers put the spike in deaths last year into context.
I thought that would be helpful ?'"
Granted, there is a spike 2019 to 2020 but what is the cause of these extra deaths.? Shifting thousands of vulnerable patients out of hospital wards into care homes? We know that happened don't we? Never known a care home to be a substitute for a fully staffed NHS hospital.
How many people have died at home due to lack of care? People that would otherwise have been in hospital receiving treatment.
Very few people have seen a doctor face to face during this dog and pony show. How much has been missed, how many mis-diagnosis's have occurred due to relying on a telephone conversation?
Here is part of an interview with a state registered nurse.
Q. Were there any other patients in your hospital from April (2020) through August?
Answer hugely vital service preventing death and worsening brain injuries. The stroke ward was virtually empty.
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| Back onto WC2021 please.
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| About time....
So latest reports suggest we will get the latest go/no go decision pretty soon?
If all parties wanted a world cup we would have one, fully secure bubbles are possible (see other sports with more money, that the domestic game doesn't have), and there are enough players who would go into them.
But I don't think the negotiations are likely to succeed because of bad faith arguments, for example I have heard it said that the bubbles are not secure enough as they would be in hotels open to other non world cup visitors, and that it is unfair to ask players to be away from their families who couldn't come with them, which is contradictory.
And nobody has addressed that international players could just start next season late to get a full end of season break, which happens ALL THE TIME due to injuries, suspensions and other factors.
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| I can't see it going ahead. If there were enough players from Aus and NZ who want to go I think we we would have heard them by now. That's the only way I see Aus and NZ reversing the decision and just haven't heard enough players come out and say they disagree.
No Aus and NZ will be a nightmare where no replacement can fix.
The broadcast deal will be renegotiated, refunds will have to be dealt with, trying to sell tickets will be a lot more difficult and just seems going ahead with it will see more negatives than positives.
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