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Fair point. Switching them is an option. I'd worry about Tomkins line defence though.

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[url:15kig0eg]http://www.traditionalteacompany.co.uk/[/url:15kig0eg] [quote="Saddened":15kig0eg]Pat Richards is poop. A typical, average, run of the mill NRL outside back. Nothing special at all. Like Barrett he is a myth. He is solid enough, he can catch, he can kick goals.[/quote:15kig0eg]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_7958.jpg



Quote: DewsburyFAX "I noticed you yourself did not select a 17.

And yes a winger on the bench, does it not occur to you that players most open to injury are the Backs?'"


Does it not occur to you that forwards tire the most and you cant put a winger on the bench just in case of injury. A 6 and a winger on the bench is the dumbest idea I have heard especially when you have picked and aging Peacock to start and an aging Morley on the bench. And the fact I didnt put a 17 down doesnt mean it isnt a terrible idea.

FWIW I would go for something like this

1- Tomkins
2- Hall
3- Reed
4- Shenton/Bridge
5- Briscoe

6- Widdop
7- Lomax

8- Graham
9- Roby
10- S Burgess
11- Ellis
12- Westwood
13- O'Loughlin

14- Mossop
15- Carvell
16- Wilkin
17- Brough/Burrow/Chase

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Edit!

1 Sam Tomkins
2 Tom Briscoe
3 Kirk Yeaman
4 Jack Reed
5 Ryan Hall
6 Kevin Sinfield
7 Gareth Widdop
8 James Graham
9 James Roby
10 Sam Burgess
11 Ben Westwood
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13 Sean O'Loughlin
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R Rob Burrow
R Jamie Jones-Buchanan
R Jamie Peacock
R Lee Mossop

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Quote: DewsburyFAX "As many people are Criticising Steve McNamara's selection over this years 4 Nations, What would your 17man squad be from all the players avaliable for england (Injured/Not injured, Whether they be)?

FB - Sam Tomkins
W - Tom Briscoe
C - Jack Reed
C - Josh Charnley
W - Zak Hardaker
6 - Gareth Widdop
7 - Rob Burrow
PR - James Graham
HK - James Roby
PR - Jamie Peacock
2R - Ben Westwood
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14 - Rangi Chase
15 - Adrian Morley
16 - Gareth Carvell
17 - Ryan Hall'"


Hardaker instead of Hall?! icon_surprised.gif

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[url:15kig0eg]http://www.traditionalteacompany.co.uk/[/url:15kig0eg] [quote="Saddened":15kig0eg]Pat Richards is poop. A typical, average, run of the mill NRL outside back. Nothing special at all. Like Barrett he is a myth. He is solid enough, he can catch, he can kick goals.[/quote:15kig0eg]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_7958.jpg



Quote: Durham Giant "17. Gareth Hock'"


I really hope he can get up to international standard

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The 17 doesn't really matter as they will always put a side out of better quality whilst our league is set up as it is. The small matter of rugby league being a miles bigger sport in Australia then it is here will sadly always leave us needing a perfect and lucky performance to get away with one.

FWIW this is the sort of side I'd go forward with-

Tomkins
Hall
Reed
Atkins
Jones Bishop/Charnley(Need a more physical threat over there)
Widdop
Lomax
Graham
Roby
Burgess
Ellis
Westwood
O'Loughlin

Subs
Mossop
Morley
Westerman
Burrow

I think times up for one of Morley or Peacock but it would be too much experience lost to put them both out of their misery at the same time.

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Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "Widdop
Hall
Reed
Watkins
Briscoe

Tomkins
Lomax

Graham
Roby
S Burgess
Ellis
Westwood
Sinfield

Mossop
Carvell
Manu
Houghton'"

Excellent choice, better balance at 1, 6 and 7 also would put Huby on the bench.

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Willie Manu is an interesting player. If were prepared to pick Chase and Heighington I'm suprised he didn't get selected as he is a real threat.

I just hope we have some fixtures at the end of 2012. A tour of NZ was just mentioned on the BBC highlights. That and a test in somewhere like PNG would keep the side progressing.

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Quote: Bondi_Warrior "Does it not occur to you that forwards tire the most and you cant put a winger on the bench just in case of injury. A 6 and a winger on the bench is the dumbest idea I have heard especially when you have picked and aging Peacock to start and an aging Morley on the bench. And the fact I didnt put a 17 down doesnt mean it isnt a terrible idea.

FWIW I would go for something like this

1- Tomkins
2- Hall
3- Reed
4- Shenton/Bridge
5- Briscoe

6- Widdop
7- Lomax

8- Graham
9- Roby
10- S Burgess
11- Ellis
12- Westwood
13- O'Loughlin

14- Mossop
15- Carvell
16- Wilkin
17- Brough/Burrow/Chase'"


It does occur to me that forwards tire but switching the forwards in 20 minute stints uses 6 interchanges leaving 6 interchanges left for whether the forwards are blowing and whether changes in the back are needed. most teams attack down the middle and put the ball to the outside of the defence, with an injured winger in defensive line the attack is more likely to pass through the defence out wide.

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Widdop/Chase
Lomax
Graham
Roby
S. Burgess
Ellis
Westwood
O'Loughlin/Sinfield

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Quote: DewsburyFAX "It does occur to me that forwards tire but switching the forwards in 20 minute stints uses 6 interchanges leaving 6 interchanges left for whether the forwards are blowing and whether changes in the back are needed. most teams attack down the middle and put the ball to the outside of the defence, with an injured winger in defensive line the attack is more likely to pass through the defence out wide.'"


So you put a winger on the bench in case of injury??? WTF???? icon_rolleyes.gif

It clearly doesnt occur to you that forwards tire. Most teams generally go for a 2 props, 1 2nd row and a utility on the bench and theres a reason why.

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I've never seen a winger on the bench, and certainly not one of the most consistent performers.

Split 6 and 7 is quite common, depending on the make up of the side, one works with FB and the other with 13. If anything it can make moves less predictable as there's options both sides.

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Quote: Seth "I've never seen a winger on the bench.'"


Your team have clearly never been coached by Richard Agar.

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Quote: Bondi_Warrior "So you put a winger on the bench in case of injury??? WTF????
I clearly does occur to me as i coach an under 23s team and have the selections to make every week.

and on my Bench i always have 1 Half, 1 back and 2 forwards, That has worked for me for the past 3 season with a win percentage of 81% and only losing 6 games in 3 season

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