I think Leeds deserve a fair chunk of credit for their wins in that period, it's not like we fluked our way to the final and only won because Saints failed to turn up - we outplayed them - and I think that Leeds team would have beaten whoever they faced in those finals. Not all losses are down to choking.

Away? That'll mess a summer jolly.

Yes, leaves a slightly bitter taste. I’d rather they’d got away with the bans, what good are they to us now?

And what's the point of a ban anyway, when, if the BBC report is correct, they could just miss a preseason fixture ?

Playing Catalans away in Barcelona, so I suspect that'll be saved for the football offseason.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-league/45871198 Tomkins will serve his ban during Wednesday's England match with France.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-league/45871198 Tomkins will serve his ban during Wednesday's England match with France.

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Of course you do. You were a champion team then.

But when Warrington lose they are known as 'choking it' or 'bottling it' yet Saints fans seem to have short memories and forget that they lost five on the bounce finishing 1st three times out of the five they lost.

I was astounded we made the final this year given where we finished last year and with a new coach coming in. I expected this season to be a transitional season and would have been happy just finishing in the 8. We've played with Kevin Brown and Tyrone Roberts at halfback all year and both have been very average (and that's being nice). It was always going to be a huge ask to beat a Wigan team full of champions who hadn't lost a game in their last 8 and were fully motivated with their two best players and their most successful Super League coach having their last game. This idea that we choked it is nonsense. We choked it in 2016 when we were two tries up and in control and should have won.

I'm more than happy with where we are at the minute and we are massively ahead of schedule and where i thought we would be. Hopefully with Blake Austin coming in next season he will take us to that next level.

I can't see Wigan being as good next year, same with Saints after losing Barba. Leeds will get better but again have a new coach. Cas will be up there again but they seem to let themselves down in the big games.

You get used to it, although I am getting sick of paying 50 odd quid to watch other teams pick up trophies

yup, i normally stay and clap them off regardless of the result and location. it stung a lot when manfredi went over for his second 3 minutes from time so i left at that point, and walked back to media city tram stop to beat the crush.

Its' about a 15 minute walk, and there were already wigan fans stood waiting when we got there.

I left straight after Manfredi scored also. Our coach was being leaving from just outside the Lowry/Media City and I too couldn't believe how many Wigan fans we walked past.

Imagine paying 50 notes to watch your beloved team win the biggest prize on offer to not watch them lift the trophy and celebrate. I don't understand it at all.

I do. Wigan fans expect their team to win and have seen it often enough. Lifting the big trophy is not a big deal for them as it would have been for our fans, had we won.