No it wasn't especially shambolic it lasted 17 years most of which were stunningly average but hey we'll beg to differ - Oldham, Crusaders, Gateshead, Huddersfield/Sheffield Eagle Giants, Nomadic London and Paris SG now that's shambolic. Don't tell Smokey he doesn't know

in RL we are dealing with some pretty small absolutes, 30% whilst a good rise (and i dont think you would put all that down to the new roof, there are plenty of other things, not least with the marketing of the club which has improved massively, and regarding the other stuff done to belle vue, dont forget you are talking about something said 9 months ago) it isnt what Wakefield need. Its a good start, I think Messrs Glover and Elston have had probably as good a start as they could reasonably expect, but they arent close to where they need to be, never mind where they could be.
Im sure Mr Caddick has more than enough steel laying around, its Leeds City Council who are the problem sadly. Esso might be interested though You should turn your hand to working with farmers, they should have some use for your strawmen.

Can I recommend the ignore poster button Vasty. I shall certainly be using it

The stadium as a whole is the worst i have been to and possibly the worst in top level sport. I wasnt expecting anything else from roof. It is what it is, pretty much a sticking plaster on a broken leg. Which was my point (9 months ago) that all it is a roof and its a long way from addressing the fact belle vue isnt good enough. Its not good enough for Super League and its not good enough for WTW

It was in the context of the previous (9month old) comment. It was, by way of explanation, for those who somehow struggled with it, why it isnt contradictory to say Wakefield were rubbish, have made some pleasing progress, in some ways still are a bit rubbish, but could be something much much more.

For the love of god shut up - you've made your point such as it is

Not a hissy fit, you're just so epically boring. Oh and it's "[sizeto[/size a chippy moron" - moron.

When you are going to pick someone up on their spelling or grammer, or if they have made a typo, it would be best if you managed to start with the correct word, otherwise you would end up looking quite silly

You seem very bothered about Wakefield Smokey? Have we upset you in some way or have you had a bad experience at Belle Vue?

Nothing you are saying is news to us. We know we have been poor in the past, both on and off the field. We also know we have been good, and we also see that there is lots of potential.
Why do you feel the need to tell us we are rubbish?

It's like going up to a fat bloke who has just lost 5 stone and saying you have potential but you are still fat. Why would you expect a good reaction?

You be happy with what you have and we'll be happy at Wakefield. No need to make more of it.

Im not interested in your brand of parochialism. Wakefield failing is bad for the entire sport, that’s why it matters. I want them to be better, I want them to be a flagship club, one we, as a sport can are proud of, Im sure you do too. But that wont ever be achieved if we pretend the problems they face don’t exist, that the failings they have aren’t real, or we treat them like a basket case which can’t be held to a higher standard.

Wakefield being happy with what they have isn’t an option, it isn’t good enough, though I accept that is the case for quite a few clubs