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Quote: The Clan "How was Williams high shot on Westwood any different to Edwards on Clyde or Morley on Kearns?

Should have been sent off and unless we reach the final it will be Wales and NZ who benefit from his suspension which is sod all use to England.

Chase was ineffective again, missed a few vital tackles, turned the ball over to Australia from a naive decision to go for touch on a 20mtr drop out resulting in a try for Austala.

Threw a stupid intercept result, try to Australia.

Referee gave some poor and one eyed decisions agains England, well done Tim Sheens, starting with a harsh penalty early doors on Weswood, penalising Westwood again for a fair tackle on Thaiday, Briscoes no try/try, Yeaman tackled/not tackled etc..

McNamaras pi55 poor decision to exclude Carvell was another factor.'"


Was probably a yellow but you're talking wet. Australia had some terrible calls against them, especially in the first half.

Westwood pushed the boundaries all game. I'm surprised he wasn't sin binned, to be completely honest with you. He deserved too - A long with Watmough.

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Quote: Bulls4Champs "I suggest you try watching the game without Hull FC glasses on. Briscoe was mediocre and Yeaman was pants.'"


I agree Yeaman was poor, but I really dont know what game you were watching if you thought Briscoe had a bad game. fwiw I thought Reed was the worst of our backs. Cost us a try by shooting out of the line and aside from his try (great take) he did nothing else. In fact it would surprise me if someone said he touched the ball more than three times.

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Quote: r a n c i d "Really? That was one of my main criticisms of him! Thought his ball return was sub-standard and lacking in any sort of confidence of enthusiasm.

I will watch again when sober, but from what I saw after a few drinks his kick returns were woeful and hugely lethargic and ineffective. Granted I might be in the minority. I noticed the commentators hooting and hollering when he ran to the line and made about 5 meters by crabbing across field
sam tomkins runs across the field crab style, i suppose that makes him sub-standard!

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Quote: r a n c i d "Was probably a yellow but you're talking wet. Australia had some terrible calls against them, especially in the first half.

Westwood pushed the boundaries all game. I'm surprised he wasn't sin binned, to be completely honest with you. He deserved too - A long with Watmough.'"


Think your the one talking crap fella, Williams should have seen a red card and in the rule book you can't sin bin for foul play.

Westwood was superb throughout, if your looking for someone who pushed he boundaries look no further than Gallen.

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Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "I agree Yeaman was poor, but I really dont know what game you were watching if you thought Briscoe had a bad game. fwiw I thought Reed was the worst of our backs. Cost us a try by shooting out of the line and aside from his try (great take) he did nothing else. In fact it would surprise me if someone said he touched the ball more than three times.'"


Wasn't Reed's fault that try was scored. Was abysmal goal line defending from Tomkins and whoever else was there. There was ample time and room to smash the Australian and prevent a try.

Switch roles and the Australians would have prevented that try, with or without one of their rushing up out of the line

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Quote: number 6 "sam tomkins runs across the field crab style, i suppose that makes him sub-standard!'"


But the difference is when Sam Tomkins ran across the field he drew defenders and either played his man into a break or made a break himself. Briscoe runs up - very, very slowly - and is tackled. He poses no threat and is completely ineffective.

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Quote: r a n c i d "But the difference is when Sam Tomkins ran across the field he drew defenders and either played his man into a break or made a break himself. Briscoe runs up - very, very slowly - and is tackled. He poses no threat and is completely ineffective.'"

I don't know if we get opta stats from these games but it'd be interesting to send how many tackle busts Briscoe made for someone who is 'completely ineffective'.

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Quote: r a n c i d "Really? That was one of my main criticisms of him! Thought his ball return was sub-standard and lacking in any sort of confidence of enthusiasm.

I will watch again when sober, but from what I saw after a few drinks his kick returns were woeful and hugely lethargic and ineffective. Granted I might be in the minority. I noticed the commentators hooting and hollering when he ran to the line and made about 5 meters by crabbing across field
icon_ask.gif did he not make breaks at all? chase down thurston or even set up 3 trys? icon_rolleyes.gif

Nah your right he is terrible shouldn't even be professional rugby player

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Quote: The Clan "Think your the one talking crap fella, Williams should have seen a red card and in the rule book you can't sin bin for foul play.

Westwood was superb throughout, if your looking for someone who pushed he boundaries look no further than Gallen.'"


Red card for an accidental high shot? Give over. Was nothing malicious about it and Westwood milked it for all it was worth.

If an England played was red carded for a similar incident nobody on here - yourself included - would view the decision as the right one.

And Westwood was superb. But if we're talking about players deserving to be binned for ing about in the ruck then Westwood was the worst offender on the field.

Not sure what you're talking about Gallen for, this isn't 2008. He didn't do much interfering or slowing down at all. Westwood, Watmough and Smith were the key offenders tonight.

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Quote: dubairl "icon_ask.gif did he not make breaks at all? chase down thurston or even set up 3 trys?
Thurston is slow. It was shocking that he managed to make as much ground as he did on that break.

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Quote: r a n c i d "Red card for an accidental high shot? Give over. Was nothing malicious about it and Westwood milked it for all it was worth.

If an England played was red carded for a similar incident nobody on here - yourself included - would view the decision as the right one.

And Westwood was superb. But if we're talking about players deserving to be binned for ing about in the ruck then Westwood was the worst offender on the field.

Not sure what you're talking about Gallen for, this isn't 2008. He didn't do much interfering or slowing down at all. Westwood, Watmough and Smith were the key offenders tonight.'"

When everyone on the thread minus Bulls4Champ is disagreeing with you, it's time to think maybe you should wait till you watch the game sober before commenting.

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Quote: Old_Faithful_IAKW "I don't know if we get opta stats from these games but it'd be interesting to send how many tackle busts Briscoe made for someone who is 'completely ineffective'.'"


Briscoe broke one tackle and made 0 line breaks.

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Quote: Old_Faithful_IAKW "I don't know if we get opta stats from these games but it'd be interesting to send how many tackle busts Briscoe made for someone who is 'completely ineffective'.'"


Briscoe broke one tackle and made 0 line breaks.

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Quote: Old_Faithful_IAKW "When everyone on the thread minus Bulls4Champ is disagreeing with you, it's time to think maybe you should wait till you watch the game sober before commenting.'"


I wouldn't say "everyone" is disagreeing with me. 3 people have disagreed with me. And it's fallacious to think that because an opinion is unpopular that is must be wrong.

Briscoe was flat today. Any average winger could have played as well as him.

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Quote: r a n c i d "Red card for an accidental high shot? Give over. Was nothing malicious about it and Westwood milked it for all it was worth.

If an England played was red carded for a similar incident nobody on here - yourself included - would view the decision as the right one.

And Westwood was superb. But if we're talking about players deserving to be binned for ing about in the ruck then Westwood was the worst offender on the field.

Not sure what you're talking about Gallen for, this isn't 2008. He didn't do much interfering or slowing down at all. Westwood, Watmough and Smith were the key offenders tonight.'"


In what way was Williams tackle different to Ewards or Morley?

It was a straight sending off offence and accidental, lazy or any other defence doesn't make any difference.

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Quote: The Clan "In what way was Williams tackle different to Ewards or Morley?

It was a straight sending off offence and accidental, lazy or any other defence doesn't make any difference.'"


Mate, are you taking the here or what? Edwards and Morley are 2 of the worst, most insane high and blatant high shots that you'll ever see in a game of Rugby.

Williams went to make a bog standard tackle and caught Westwood high. Was nothing malicious, Westwood milked it and it looked terrible because Williams is a monster of a man. If little Billy Slater accidently sticks a man with his forearm like that the game plays on and nobody gives a .

That was a yellow card. It's a red card on Rugby Union, in Rugby League it's a yellow.

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