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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: CS at home "2 each from the 12 English clubs to make up the squad, have additional subs and unlimited interchanges to protect the players and re-arrange Crusaders to play Catalans that weekend.'"


Or better still...why not just make the England v All Stars game a charity fund raiser for the relief fund. Maybe even Play it at Loftus road/Craven Cottage and fill the ground with Anzacs?

The season is crammed enough without ANOTHER game to mess with it......

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Rugby League is a sport that desperately needs to expand its geographical supporter base and its player base. This imperative means that all other requirements are secondary until this is done. All power in the game should be with governing bodies, especially international governing bodies. Without these actions we will remain a minor sport internationally and nationally.:



Quote: PHIPPS "Even when you compare that suggestion to such ideas as electric teeth, putting out your hand to stop an oncoming train or supporting the referee at a Hull FC derby match that is possibly the most ridiculous idea I have ever heard.'"

Compared with abandoning one of 3 credible international sides in the Northern hemisphere to play a meaningless match against a team of journeymen with no reason to care about the outcome and expecting it to attract a crowd it is a genius.

It may be stupid, but it is still far more sensible than the proposed 'international'

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[b:6jl68bf5][quote="Damo-Leeds":6jl68bf5]Please tell me what a coach’s job is.[/quote:6jl68bf5] [/b:6jl68bf5] [quote="Matt89":6jl68bf5]phipps knows best (everything about rugby league) so don't disagree!!!![/quote:6jl68bf5] [quote="Huddersfield1895 AKA dally messenger":6jl68bf5] Having read the article several times I'm still confused[/quote:6jl68bf5] [quote="Damo-Leeds":6jl68bf5]I shall keep posting on this thread and derail it as much as I want to.[/quote:6jl68bf5] [b:6jl68bf5][quote="PHIPPS":6jl68bf5]Sadly for Wigan as soon as Maguire gets an offer from an NRL club he will be on the plane home before you can say 'meat and potato pie'[/quote:6jl68bf5] [/b:6jl68bf5] [quote="Conorgiantsfan":6jl68bf5]I like you Phipps. I like your style.[/quote:6jl68bf5] [quote="Chorlton RL":6jl68bf5]As far as gauging the potential in the South West, I'd have thought the rumoured Wembley international double-header at the end of the season would be good way to do this. [/quote:6jl68bf5] [quote="Conorgiantsfan":6jl68bf5]You really annoy me. Like genital warts, but worse.[/quote:6jl68bf5]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_50156.jpg



Quote: CS at home "Compared with abandoning one of 3 credible international sides in the Northern hemisphere to play a meaningless match against a team of journeymen with no reason to care about the outcome and expecting it to attract a crowd it is a genius.

It may be stupid, but it is still far more sensible than the proposed 'international''"



Who is this 'credible international Northern hemisphere side' you speak of?

I do hope you are not speaking of France.

France are so poor even the Welsh beat them.

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Quote: PHIPPS "Who is this 'credible international Northern hemisphere side' you speak of?

I do hope you are not speaking of France.

France are so poor even the Welsh beat them.'"

They are a recognised international opponent with their own league, a history and tradition including a World Cup win and they are one of two opponents in the NH that have professional players playing in their own country.

If PNG are a credible opponent so are France.

We need to nurture France like the IRB did to Italy, regular games against ourselves as well as Wales, Scotland, ireland, touring sides etc;

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[b:6jl68bf5][quote="Damo-Leeds":6jl68bf5]Please tell me what a coach’s job is.[/quote:6jl68bf5] [/b:6jl68bf5] [quote="Matt89":6jl68bf5]phipps knows best (everything about rugby league) so don't disagree!!!![/quote:6jl68bf5] [quote="Huddersfield1895 AKA dally messenger":6jl68bf5] Having read the article several times I'm still confused[/quote:6jl68bf5] [quote="Damo-Leeds":6jl68bf5]I shall keep posting on this thread and derail it as much as I want to.[/quote:6jl68bf5] [b:6jl68bf5][quote="PHIPPS":6jl68bf5]Sadly for Wigan as soon as Maguire gets an offer from an NRL club he will be on the plane home before you can say 'meat and potato pie'[/quote:6jl68bf5] [/b:6jl68bf5] [quote="Conorgiantsfan":6jl68bf5]I like you Phipps. I like your style.[/quote:6jl68bf5] [quote="Chorlton RL":6jl68bf5]As far as gauging the potential in the South West, I'd have thought the rumoured Wembley international double-header at the end of the season would be good way to do this. [/quote:6jl68bf5] [quote="Conorgiantsfan":6jl68bf5]You really annoy me. Like genital warts, but worse.[/quote:6jl68bf5]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_50156.jpg



Quote: CS at home "They are a recognised international opponent with their own league, a history and tradition including a World Cup win and they are one of two opponents in the NH that have professional players playing in their own country.'"



The day France become a credible opponent in an international rugby league fixture against England, Australia or New Zealand is the day my dog learns how to speak latin.

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They have been before, I see no reason why they cannot be again.

Even if they don't, a match against a country is worth considerably more than a friendly against a made up team.

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: CS at home "They are a recognised international opponent with their own league, a history and tradition including a World Cup win and they are one of two opponents in the NH that have professional players playing in their own country.

If PNG are a credible opponent so are France.

We need to nurture France like the IRB did to Italy, regular games against ourselves as well as Wales, Scotland, ireland, touring sides etc;'"


PNG would hammer France at the moment and even when PNG play, the fans don't turn up. 11k for Australia, 7k for New Zealand. If you think PNG V England would have attracted any more than 5k If played in NZ or Aus on its own you're nuts.....that's why there was the double header

For the international game to grow, the top 3 nations need to field second string sides against developing nations. Like it or no, France fall into this category. There is nothing to be gained from 60 point hammerings....nothing at all.
I believe this all stars game is a waste of time as well......I'd much rather see England fly to the southern hemisphere mid season for a test against NZ and a test against Australia. Scrap magic weekend to make room for it!
Let France, Wales, PNG, Tonga et al play their own tournament.....until anyone other than the top 3 have a chance of winning the RLWC it either needs to be scrapped or have a shed load of money thrown at it.

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: CS at home "They are a recognised international opponent with their own league, a history and tradition including a World Cup win and they are one of two opponents in the NH that have professional players playing in their own country.

If PNG are a credible opponent so are France.

We need to nurture France like the IRB did to Italy, regular games against ourselves as well as Wales, Scotland, ireland, touring sides etc;'"


Yes they have history , tradition ,a league of their own and a WC win , which makes them the International equivalent of Oldham ( no disrespect intended ) , trying to compete with the likes of the Leeds Rhinos

They have 1 f/t pro team , with several Aussies in it that struggles to compete in SL , the rest of their international squad is made up of part time players that would struggle to get a gig at a mid table Championship club

A Championship select would give them a good test

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: CS at home "They are a recognised international opponent'"
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.......as are a team made up of "other nationalities".....April 5th, 1904.....at Wigan...England RL's first international (as quoted on the often wrong wikipedia) was against "Other Nationalities"

France getting hammered every year by England will do nothing for them or the game.
I repeat....scrap MM........send an England squad to Australia/New Zealand for a 2 test tour in mid season.....

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Rugby League is a sport that desperately needs to expand its geographical supporter base and its player base. This imperative means that all other requirements are secondary until this is done. All power in the game should be with governing bodies, especially international governing bodies. Without these actions we will remain a minor sport internationally and nationally.:



Do you believe that Italy or Scotland could get a result against the better Heineken Cup sides, does that stop them playing regularly against the best union sides?

We won't build the international games by dropping opponents when we think we can manufacture a better opponent out of journeymen kolpaks

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: CS at home "Do you believe that Italy or Scotland could get a result against the better Heineken Cup sides, does that stop them playing regularly against the best union sides?

We won't build the international games by dropping opponents when we think we can manufacture a better opponent out of journeymen kolpaks'"


This Heinekin Cup you speak of , which RL team have won it ?

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Rugby League is a sport that desperately needs to expand its geographical supporter base and its player base. This imperative means that all other requirements are secondary until this is done. All power in the game should be with governing bodies, especially international governing bodies. Without these actions we will remain a minor sport internationally and nationally.:



Quote: gutterfax "....
.......as are a team made up of "other nationalities".....April 5th, 1904.....at Wigan...England RL's first international (as quoted on the often wrong wikipedia) was against "Other Nationalities"

France getting hammered every year by England will do nothing for them or the game.
I repeat....scrap MM........send an England squad to Australia/New Zealand for a 2 test tour in mid season.....'"

Why do we, with our weak international game, think that we know better than union, with its international game that props up the entire sport, when it comes to supporting and nurturing uncompetitive international sides?

The one game that has achieved lower prominence in union's pro era is that involving the Barbarians, they are no longer a draw card for players or spectators...

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Quote: CS at home "Why do we, with our weak international game, think that we know better than union, with its international game that props up the entire sport, when it comes to supporting and nurturing uncompetitive international sides?

The one game that has achieved lower prominence in union's pro era is that involving the Barbarians, they are no longer a draw card for players or spectators...'"


You are absolutely correct , but how many full time pro's do all these international countries have at their disposal ? , you are also comparing 2 different sports , RU is like football in that you can employ tactics that can make any given game closer , RL however is not so forgiving , there is no ' defending , retaining possession, slowing down and ' easy ' points in RL , it is brutal from 1st minute to last , that's why we like it

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: CS at home "Why do we, with our weak international game, think that we know better than union, with its international game that props up the entire sport, when it comes to supporting and nurturing uncompetitive international sides?

The one game that has achieved lower prominence in union's pro era is that involving the Barbarians, they are no longer a draw card for players or spectators...'"


....I am the first to use the IRB as a yard stick to measure the progress of an international sport, but the problem faced by the northern hemisphere in League differs entirely to that of Union.

As for the Barbarians...45,000 turned up to watch them play south africa FFS........I wouldn't exactly say that many people paying over 50 quid each wasn't a draw card......when was the last England RL international match (played in England) that got that attendance........I think Australia v New Zealand got about 23k a few years back in London, but for an invitational team playing a touring side to get 45,000 is pretty good going given they are an invitational side.

I repeat.....England, NZ and Australia should play the RLWC with second string teams....like a plate competition and the tri-nations should be the decider of who are world champs. The game will grow internationally when Ireland and Scotland are fielding teams full of players born in those countries.......and the way to do that is get competative games at international level....not tonkings

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22/03/2013 Get LEIGH outta wigan:



Quote: Starbug "You are absolutely correct , but how many full time pro's do all these international countries have at their disposal ? , you are also comparing 2 different sports , RU is like football in that you can employ tactics that can make any given game closer , RL however is not so forgiving , there is no ' defending , retaining possession, slowing down and ' easy ' points in RL , it is brutal from 1st minute to last , that's why we like it'"


iv'e alway thought thats why league has never really taken off elsewere.

theres less real action, but a lot more unpredictability in the other main sports.

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