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Quote: Merthyr Saint "www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/rugby_league/2716918/New-team-is-a-capital-plan.html

Would they replace Crusaders, Salford or Wakefield???'"


From that article I can't see them not being in super league this time or the next time around. They are not going into this half hearted but they are prepared to pump money in and the connection with the union team can only help as games could be marketed to them as well. Sounds great for RL IMO.

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icon_sad.gif If Paris are allowed in SL ahead of Toulouse then it will be a travesty. Toulouse have spent years working up to a SL bid, youth teams in place ground improvements sponsors in board, a slow steady progression to a successful SL bid. Do we never learn from our dire mistakes. I'm not against a Paris team but they must start in the Championship.

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Quote: spooneryork "but they must start in the Championship.'"


Or stump up 10 million as a bond to be paid back over 6 years [ that is the one way to find out how serious they really are ] , which equates to basically half of their required income over that period

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icon_surprised.gif If Paris did come into SL then went under within a couple of years then the RFL would be left without any credibility and the game would be left in a state of peril.

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: spooneryork "

Which is why I have suggested a 10 million pound commitment to playing in and being competitive in SL for 6 years , I'm sure that would ' focus the mind ' so to speak icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Starbug "Which is why I have suggested a 10 million pound commitment to playing in and being competitive in SL for 6 years , I'm sure that would ' focus the mind ' so to speak
or just be an arbitrary barrier only designed to stop clubs like Paris ever entering the league, as any club the RFL approached with this 'rule' would simply laugh at the game, and probably not want to be involved with a sport that would behave in such an idiotic way

though we are all quite aware that you know this, and you only suggest this rule because it would stop any new club entering the league and that is really what you want so you can carry on feeling special

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: SmokeyTA "or just be an arbitrary barrier only designed to stop clubs like Paris ever entering the league, as any club the RFL approached with this 'rule' would simply laugh at the game, and probably not want to be involved with a sport that would behave in such an idiotic way

though we are all quite aware that you know this, and you only suggest this rule because it would stop any new club entering the league and that is really what you want so you can carry on feeling special'"


Sorry but given that we are discussing a place that has no history of supporting the sport [ except a very poorly attended season back in 95/6 ] , does not have even an Elite team already there , is a massive potential positive for the sport but also a massive potential negative if it was to fail after 2/3 years , really do feel it neccesary to see a large committment from a Paris club

Other lesser profile potential new clubs would not need to display the same amount of commitment if they already had some interest locally , we are after all discussing a team in a city as big as London , history does not paint a pretty picture

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Quote: Starbug "Sorry but given that we are discussing a place that has no history of supporting the sport [ except a very poorly attended season back in 95/6 ] , does not have even an Elite team already there , is a massive potential positive for the sport but also a massive potential negative if it was to fail after 2/3 years , really do feel it neccesary to see a large committment from a Paris club

Other lesser profile potential new clubs would not need to display the same amount of commitment if they already had some interest locally , we are after all discussing a team in a city as big as London , history does not paint a pretty picture'"


the potential negative for any club is exactly the same, its failure, that is all that can happen, that is the biggest negative that we could see,

whether that happens to Paris or Widnes or Leigh or Barrow, that is all that can happen, the potential upside doesnt affect the potential downside

all clubs should display the same commitment, clubs outside SL arent outside SL because they have been successful, they are outside because they werent,

the recent history of Leigh, Widnes and the rest is hardly a pretty picture either,

lets face it, you dont want Paris in there so you are setting arbitrary criteria you know no club would ever meet as criteria for their entrance, in an attempt to make it look like you havent dismissed them out of hand

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Quote: SmokeyTA "the potential negative for any club is exactly the same, its failure, that is all that can happen, that is the biggest negative that we could see,

whether that happens to Paris or Widnes or Leigh or Barrow, that is all that can happen, the potential upside doesnt affect the potential downside

all clubs should display the same commitment, clubs outside SL arent outside SL because they have been successful, they are outside because they werent,

the recent history of Leigh, Widnes and the rest is hardly a pretty picture either,

lets face it, you dont want Paris in there so you are setting arbitrary criteria you know no club would ever meet as criteria for their entrance, in an attempt to make it look like you havent dismissed them out of hand'"


I couldn't care less if Paris enter SL or not , it is unlikely that I would be visiting them unless it was in the Challenge Cup , however there is NO club currently there , which suggests little if any interest in the sport , and as we have seen in the past , the size of the city means nothing as to the probable success of the venture , If you think it a worthwhile enough gamble then fine , I dont , you are starting to sound like Dally M

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Quote: Starbug "I couldn't care less if Paris enter SL or not , it is unlikely that I would be visiting them unless it was in the Challenge Cup , however there is NO club currently there , which suggests little if any interest in the sport , and as we have seen in the past , the size of the city means nothing as to the probable success of the venture , If you think it a worthwhile enough gamble then fine , I dont , you are starting to sound like Dally M'"


yet picking a number out of your and saying if you put this magical number in a bank account it is no longer a gamble will affect the chances of success

why pretend your argument is anything other than the same flatcap idiocy that the rest give?

yes, not having a team in the elite does show a lack of interest, putting £10m in a bank account doesnt suddenly mean there is interest, in fact that £10m helps no one do anything, it just sits in a bank account earning money for a bank, if we are going down that route why bother playing at all, sell everything, put it in a bank account and we can all watch it earn tiny little bits of interest

i havent said whether i would be in favour of a Paris team or not at all, i have given no opinion on it other than to say if the skill, backing and commitment and ambition are there, then fantastic, lets go for it, if not lets not, and that goes for all clubs

im simply arguing that the random and ill thought out criteria you are heaping on them is both random and ill thought out

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Quote: SmokeyTA "yet picking a number out of your booty and saying if you put this magical number in a bank account it is no longer a gamble will affect the chances of success

why pretend your argument is anything other than the same flatcap idiocy that the rest give?

yes, not having a team in the elite does show a lack of interest, putting £10m in a bank account doesnt suddenly mean there is interest, in fact that £10m helps no one do anything, it just sits in a bank account earning money for a bank, if we are going down that route why bother playing at all, sell everything, put it in a bank account and we can all watch it earn tiny little bits of interest

i havent said whether i would be in favour of a Paris team or not at all, i have given no opinion on it other than to say if the skill, backing and commitment and ambition are there, then fantastic, lets go for it, if not lets not, and that goes for all clubs

im simply arguing that the random and ill thought out criteria you are heaping on them is both random and ill thought out'"


A paris club would need something in the area of 3 million to operate per season , the amount does have some relevance

Stumping up that amount of money would be a statement of commitment to the success of the venture

I am suggesting this money is drip fed back to the club [ with accrued interest ] over a 6 year period for them to finance that successful venture

Or are you suggesting clubs are put directly into SL without adequate financial backing and just at the whim of a Rugby union owner trying to find somebody to buy pies and beer at his stadium during the summer ? icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Starbug "A paris club would need something in the area of 3 million to operate per season , the amount does have some relevance'"


in that it is one million pound more than you think they will need if their income was to be £0 over an entire 3 year franchise, that if somehow they didnt sell one ticket, one shirt, get one sponsor and even managed to lose £1m a season from Sky before it even got to them?

indeed, very erm, relevant

Quote: Starbug "Stumping up that amount of money would be a statement of commitment to the success of the venture '"
surely guaranteeing its participation for 6 years would do exactly the same,

Quote: Starbug "I am suggesting this money is drip fed back to the club [ with accrued interest ] over a 6 year period for them to finance that successful venture'"
ignoring the obvious practical problems of outgoings not always being regular, of there often been unforeseen outgoings that would need to be paid quickly and that often, nay always, in business, at least some of your outgoings are paid by your income.

Where the hell are you expecting them to get £10m from that they can afford to leave in the bank earning pennies in interest, which is about the least efficient way of investing money bar hiding it in the mattress known to man

Quote: Starbug "Or are you suggesting clubs are put directly into SL without adequate financial backing and just at the whim of a Rugby union owner trying to find somebody to buy pies and beer at his stadium during the summer ?
no, they arent the only two alternatives are they numbnuts? we dont only have a choice between putting £10m in a bank account up front or inadequate financial backing, there is a fair bit in between i think you will find

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: SmokeyTA "in that it is one million pound more than you think they will need if their income was to be £0 over an entire 3 year franchise, that if somehow they didnt sell one ticket, one shirt, get one sponsor and even managed to lose £1m a season from Sky before it even got to them?

indeed, very erm, relevant

surely guaranteeing its participation for 6 years would do exactly the same,

ignoring the obvious practical problems of outgoings not always being regular, of there often been unforeseen outgoings that would need to be paid quickly and that often, nay always, in business, at least some of your outgoings are paid by your income.

Where the hell are you expecting them to get £10m from that they can afford to leave in the bank earning pennies in interest, which is about the least efficient way of investing money bar hiding it in the mattress known to man



no, they arent the only two alternatives are they numbnuts? we dont only have a choice between putting £10m in a bank account up front or inadequate financial backing, there is a fair bit in between i think you will find'"


2 million will pay a competitive playing and coaching staff , the other 1 million for administration , marketing , advertising , junior development and community initiatives , so they guarantee 1.8 million per season paid up front and they still need to find 1.2 million per season to operate , in other reports they or the RFL were suggesting they would not need/recieve any ' central/SKY ' funding

' Guaranteeing ' ? , what with , false promises and lies ? , you are ok to have that ?

The balancing out of imcome/outgoings is usually done by the use of an ' overdraft ' , ask your bank manager if you dont know what they are ?

£ 10 Million ? , well from the bank , or from all the money they make from the RU club , some on here have been ' orgasmic ' in their praise of the owners business acumen , and putting money in the bank to earn ' pennies ' in interest is not the least efficient way of investing money , putting it into sports clubs is the least efficient way of investing money known to man

Stump up the money , or do it the way as requested by the RFL via the Elite,Championships/SL

Oh and why you seem the need to resort again to name calling , ok with that Di*khe*d

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They need a team in the LER next year imo. If they dont then they can go bye bye, it at least gives them SOME form of structure and allows them to start building youth teams, Celtic style.
I dont know why you two bicker on every week trying to convince each other when in reality you've no chance and you go round in circles faster than tyres on a motorway

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Quote: Dico "They need a team in the LER next year imo. If they dont then they can go bye bye, it at least gives them SOME form of structure and allows them to start building youth teams, Celtic style.
I dont know why you two bicker on every week trying to convince each other when in reality you've no chance and you go round in circles faster than tyres on a motorway'"


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Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
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Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
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Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
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Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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