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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Why on earth would someone from Wakefield stop attending Cas games because changed from representing Cas to representing the Wakefield District?'"
Because of the one thing you fail to realise, PEOPLE DO NOT CHANGE WHO THEY SUPPORT, unless they're glory hunting like yourself.
Why would a life long Wakefield fan go to Glasshoughton to watch a new team they have no association with? why would a life long Cas fan go watch a merged team they have no association with?
Why can't you grasp the SIMPLE fact that existing fans don't want a merger, and would never support a merged team? there's a reason sports mergers don't work, and it's the main reason sports teams exist....fan base, people don't want to watch the abomination of a merged team.
And before you mention them, the Dragons and Wests aren't mergers.
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| You can bet that Smokey would be arguing differently if it was his side in the spotlight. It's only because Leeds are safe that he's continued spouting on with this rubbish.
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| Quote: Gaslight "Because of the one thing you fail to realise, PEOPLE DO NOT CHANGE WHO THEY SUPPORT, unless they're glory hunting like yourself.
Why would a life long Wakefield fan go to Glasshoughton to watch a new team they have no association with? why would a life long Cas fan go watch a merged team they have no association with?'" Because they like Rugby League, and have a good, strong well marketed Rugby League club, in good facilities that represents their district.
Quote: Gaslight "Why can't you grasp the SIMPLE fact that existing fans don't want a merger, and would never support a merged team? there's a reason sports mergers don't work, and it's the main reason sports teams exist....fan base, people don't want to watch the abomination of a merged team.'" many many do.
Quote: Gaslight "And before you mention them, the Dragons and Wests aren't mergers.'" in what way arent they mergers?
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| Quote: Fully "You can bet that Smokey would be arguing differently if it was his side in the spotlight. It's only because Leeds are safe that he's continued spouting on with this rubbish.'"
If there was the situation that called for it, I would happily support a Leeds team which had merged with another.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "If there was the situation that called for it, I would happily support a Leeds team which had merged with another.'"
Because you weren't a Leeds fan until United were relegated right?
All your posts scream glory hunter "well marketed" does not make someone support a team.
I give up because you're too stupid to realise you're talking rubbish.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "If there was the situation that called for it, I would happily support a Leeds team which had merged with another.'"
Really? So if YOUR club was under the cosh from licensing, you would happen to support your club merging with a lesser rival in the hope it may make some ill-thought out super club that is going to dominate Super League?
If you merged Leeds and say Bradford together (they're roughly equidistant as Cas/Wakey), you happen to reckon that of the circa 30k combined fans between them, they'll get that attendance?
I reckon the majority would walk away and either support a bid to start a new club under the name Bradford/Leeds or would not support a team at all. They'd have no affinity to the new club - it wouldn't work.
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| Quote: Gaslight "Because you weren't a Leeds fan until United were relegated right?
All your posts scream glory hunter "well marketed" does not make someone support a team.
I give up because you're too stupid to realise you're talking rubbish.'"
Not at all. Ive supported Leeds Rhinos since I was 6 years old and they werent the Rhinos, I supported them because my dad took me.
Well Marketed does make people support a team im afraid. Otherwise, they wont go watch them.
You may wish to romanticize. I dont.
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| Quote: Fully "I reckon the majority would walk away and either support a bid to start a new club under the name Bradford/Leeds or would not support a team at all. They'd have no affinity to the new club - it wouldn't work.'"
But to use Smokey backwards-logic they WOULD support a new team because the be all and end all is watching a top class Super League team and if the club is marketed it would attract 40,000 a week! it wouldn't lose fans and it would gain more too!
Win win
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| Quote: Gaslight "Because of the one thing you fail to realise, PEOPLE DO NOT CHANGE WHO THEY SUPPORT, unless they're glory hunting like yourself.
Why would a life long Wakefield fan go to Glasshoughton to watch a new team they have no association with? why would a life long Cas fan go watch a merged team they have no association with?
Why can't you grasp the SIMPLE fact that existing fans don't want a merger, and would never support a merged team? there's a reason sports mergers don't work, and it's the main reason sports teams exist....fan base, people don't want to watch the abomination of a merged team.
And before you mention them, the Dragons and Wests aren't mergers.'"
As a Wakey supporter for 40 years, if there was no other option, I would go watch a merged Cas / Wakey side.
I’d love to have my day at Old Trafford, unfortunately, I can never see it happening as it is.
If / When Wakey drop down a division, that’s who I’ll watch, however, I’d rather watch a merged Wakey / Cas side than walk away from the game. I could never follow another current S.L club.
P.S – The last thing Wakey fans will ever be, is glory hunters, jeez, the highlight of the last forty years is a C.C semi-final win in ‘79!
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| Quote: Fully "Really? So if YOUR club was under the cosh from licensing, you would happen to support your club merging with a lesser rival in the hope it may make some ill-thought out super club that is going to dominate Super League?'" If you take away your prejorative stating of the question, yes.
Quote: Fully "If you merged Leeds and say Bradford together (they're roughly equidistant as Cas/Wakey), you happen to reckon that of the circa 30k combined fans between them, they'll get that attendance?
'" Im not sure on the numbers, but if Leeds and Bradford were to merge, they would easily be the biggest club in RL, and yes, I would support them.
But as an aside, the comparison is flawed on the basis that Leeds and Bradford, geographically are much much much bigger than Castleford and Wakefield. Whilst the city centres maybe equidistant, the outskirts of Leeds are much further away from the opposite outskirts of Bradford than the comparison for Wakefield and Castleford (especially when you remember Castleford is the outskirts of Wakefield) So it is a much larger area we are talking about.
Quote: Fully "I reckon the majority would walk away and either support a bid to start a new club under the name Bradford/Leeds or would not support a team at all. They'd have no affinity to the new club - it wouldn't work.'" I really cant agree, i really dont think people would be so petty as to give up something they enjoy because it wasnt named how they wanted it.
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| Quote: The Devil's Advocate "P.S – The last thing Wakey fans will ever be, is glory hunters, jeez, the highlight of the last forty years is a C.C semi-final win in ‘79!'"
That is glory to some of us
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| Quote: The Devil's Advocate "As a Wakey supporter for 40 years, if there was no other option, I would go watch a merged Cas / Wakey side.
I’d love to have my day at Old Trafford, unfortunately, I can never see it happening as it is.
If / When Wakey drop down a division, that’s who I’ll watch, however, I’d rather watch a merged Wakey / Cas side than walk away from the game. I could never follow another current S.L club.
P.S – The last thing Wakey fans will ever be, is glory hunters, jeez, the highlight of the last forty years is a C.C semi-final win in ‘79!'"
I expect, deep down, most people feel like this, not only in Castleford and Wakefield, but in all sports in all places. Its just few are brave enough to admit it, and some still think if they stamp their feet loud enough it will make a difference.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA " and some still think if they stamp their feet loud enough it will make a difference.'"
You'd know about that that's all you do, bang on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on until everyone gets bored with you.
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| Quote: Gaslight "You'd know about that
funnily enough here he is.
Its only a surprise he hasnt blamed Gareth Thomas yet.
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| I live in Wakefield and support Cas, i would never in a million years support a merged team, simply because it is not the team/ club i love.
If Cas ceased to exist i would not watch another team, id watch SL on Sky and that would be it for me, I could quite happily find other things to do with my time that wouldnt costy me in exess of 1000 quid a year.
I watch Cas because its my club and the other people of Castlefords club. That means something to me something, I would not have this feeling for a fabricated Wakleford Tigercats Super Club that would be competing with the best no matter how long i mulled over it.
I like that fact that we as a club punch above our weight and when the stadium gets built we will be up there with the heavyweights. We will be self sustaining aswel which is more than other clubs are if there sugar daddies pull the plug.
Both Cas and Wakey have proud histories and passionate support, a "Super Club" would not prolong the history of these 2 great clubs.
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