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Quote: Zuider "Before i start let me just say that I do not agree with the views of Israel Folau.
I do however find it ironic that whilst people are expected and demanded to show respect and tolerance to gay people the same doesn't apply to anyone who has a different viewpoint.
To my knowledge he has posted his views on the internet yet he is a bigger villain than a wife beater.
If like me you dont like his views dont read them, but show the same respect for his views as you would others.'"


My sexuality is an immutable fact, my philosophical opinions are not. People are not only driven into depression and personal trauma, but forced to run away from their homes, imprisoned, in some cases murdered as a direct consequence of the line Folau pushed to 100,000 people. You really ought to think more deeply about the equivalence you have just made. And don't use that grubby comparison with domestic violence (a heinous,entirely separate issue) to make your point.

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Quote: RagingBull "Off the top of my head all of following have been in RL recently

Wife beating
Drug taking
Drink driving
GBH
Assault
Tazering a police officer after a high speed car chase
Assault on a drugs tester (sadly my own team has given that cretin a job)
Banging a team mates wife
Homophobic abuse
Glass/bottling a team mate
Gambling on your own team to lose.
Breaking and entering
Urinating in your own mouth on camera
Abuse toward females
Sex act with a dog

All of which were give second (and in some cases 4th or 5th) chances. And whilst i dont agree with all those chances being given, it seems a touch hypocritical to suggest Izzy shouldnt be allowed to play in SL'"


It's quite the strawman you have created here, and I'm not sure what its purpose is. Many of us are quite able to think the likes of Lui and Bird should be nowhere near Super League and equally think the same of Folau. I have always advocated a one-strike policy on domestic violence. Though the idea that urinating in your own mouth or 'banging a team mates wife' are remotely comparable is quite laughable really.

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Quote: JonB95 "My sexuality is an immutable fact, my philosophical opinions are not. People are not only driven into depression and personal trauma, but forced to run away from their homes, imprisoned, in some cases murdered as a direct consequence of the line Folau pushed to 100,000 people. You really ought to think more deeply about the equivalence you have just made. And don't use that grubby comparison with domestic violence (a heinous,entirely separate issue) to make your point.'"

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100%, abuse (domestic or otherwise)is not comparable to hatred on the grounds of sexuality, which is abhorrent. Some agree, some disagree, and as has been said before, if anyone went to an RL ground and shouted "Death to infidels, Allah commands it" there would be a stampede to the gates and said individual would be arrested.

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Quote: IR80 "

That is different though isnt it as that is inciting hated.

Saying all gay people are destined for hell unless they repent isn't calling for gays to be killed.

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rlI hope the homophobe can read, he is NOT welcomerl

I am sure there is a Ministry in Utah that needs him.

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Quote: RagingBull "Off the top of my head all of following have been in RL recently

Wife beating
Drug taking
Drink driving
GBH
Assault
Tazering a police officer after a high speed car chase
Assault on a drugs tester (sadly my own team has given that cretin a job)
Banging a team mates wife
Homophobic abuse
Glass/bottling a team mate
Gambling on your own team to lose.
Breaking and entering
Urinating in your own mouth on camera
Abuse toward females
Sex act with a dog

All of which were give second (and in some cases 4th or 5th) chances. And whilst i dont agree with all those chances being given, it seems a touch hypocritical to suggest Izzy shouldnt be allowed to play in SL'"


Don't worry about it, all of those people will burn in hell for those incidents (apparently)

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Quote: JonB95 "My sexuality is an immutable fact, my philosophical opinions are not. People are not only driven into depression and personal trauma, but forced to run away from their homes, imprisoned, in some cases murdered as a direct consequence of the line Folau pushed to 100,000 people. You really ought to think more deeply about the equivalence you have just made. And don't use that grubby comparison with domestic violence (a heinous,entirely separate issue) to make your point.'"


So you really do think that gay people will be sent to hell?
Whilst some people may find his comments objectionable most people would just ignore them and let him make a fool of themselves.
I dont believe that his comments could seriously drive anyone to depression.

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Quote: Zuider "So you really do think that gay people will be sent to hell?
Whilst some people may find his comments objectionable most people would just ignore them and let him make a fool of themselves.
I dont believe that his comments could seriously drive anyone to depression.'"


In a world where youngsters hang on every word of "influencers" or those who they idolise, do you think that his actions will have a positive or negative effect ?

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Quote: Zuider "So you really do think that gay people will be sent to hell?
Whilst some people may find his comments objectionable most people would just ignore them and let him make a fool of themselves.
I dont believe that his comments could seriously drive anyone to depression.'"


Unfortunately its been proven in far too many cases that you are wrong

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So Super League prevented Ben Barba from signing for a club (if he had wished to do so) but the RFL would have allowed him to sign for a championship club. That didn't make sense, and the fact that Folau IS allowed to come over and play here doesn't either.

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Quote: Kennedy "So Super League prevented Ben Barba from signing for a club (if he had wished to do so) but the RFL would have allowed him to sign for a championship club. That didn't make sense, and the fact that Folau IS allowed to come over and play here doesn't either.'"


The RFL won't register a player banned by the NRL

Barba was blocked by the RFL. Don't think he could have went to the championship.

Falou was never banned by the NRL Legally if a club did sign him in oz they could have took it to the courts if the NRL tried to block it as Falou legally never breached any NRL contract.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "In a world where youngsters hang on every word of "influencers" or those who they idolise, do you think that his actions will have a positive or negative effect ?'"


Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and beliefs - I actually believe that allowing Izzy in has helped, as the outpouring of condemnation for his comments shows that the vast majority of folk are entirely inclusive. So, whilst some W ill look at this and say allowing him into the game is showing that we are accepting of homophobia, actually what it has done is provide a platform and discussion point which has shown that everybody in the game condemns his views and support gay rights.
I for one think it’s much better to allow people free speech, and let people form and share their opinions on that persons comments rather than total censure.

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Quote: Superted "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and beliefs - I actually believe that allowing Izzy in has helped, as the outpouring of condemnation for his comments shows that the vast majority of folk are entirely inclusive. So, whilst some W ill look at this and say allowing him into the game is showing that we are accepting of homophobia, actually what it has done is provide a platform and discussion point which has shown that everybody in the game condemns his views and support gay rights.
I for one think it’s much better to allow people free speech, and let people form and share their opinions on that persons comments rather than total censure.'"


I agree in principle.
However, if what people are advocating in exercising their right to "free speech" with cause harm or endanger others then, no, free speech shouldn't be a given.
You say that him coming has given a "platform for discussion", the same could be argued for every hate preacher in the land - I havent got him in that category but, that is what you have just suggested is ok ??

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