Have the Quins had their final beer at last chance saloon?

Quote: Kelvin's Ferret "No I'm not saying this, I'm not aware of any audience that needs talking round who we're not bothered with, and I don't know how you managed to get to that?

So Antipodeans living within the capital who are fans of RL and will watch RL but do not want to watch your club do not count as a potential market who need to be persuaded to come and watch Quins? You yourself keep stating that it has been tried and you are not keen to try again. That sounds like an attitude of - it's too hard lets not bother anymore.

All of the ways of promoting the club need money to make them work, we can bring in new people on cheap deals, but then they watch a substandard team and don't come back.

Admittedly there is a problem if your team gets heavily beaten in such a game but surely it is up to the people setting up such a scheme to carefully choose the game(s) so as to avoid this circumstance. Alternatively as some people have suggested maybe Quins would benefit in the long run from a step down to the Championship where they would be better equipped to win more games and thus help to retain new support brought in on ticket deals.

We have lots of potential target markets that we cannot tap into in the short to medium term without substantial investment.

My own club Wigan have a deal for our game with Quins where each season ticket holder can get six tickets for £30 for friends to attend. With that kind of deal the season ticket holders get told and will promote the use of those tickets themselves so the cost of marketing that to the club must be lower than poster campaigns etc.

It really depends on whether you buy into the line of the RFL and more importantly Sky (the game's major backer) that having a club in London is strategically more important than another club on the M62, or a club in Cumbria, the latter is not going to significantly boost SL crowds, and neither will raise profile of RL more than a London club.'"

I can't remember anyone from Quins (or under any prior name) mentioning that the top league needs a London club. However this was the line fed to everyone by the people running the game when London Broncos were promoted despite finishing 5th in the second tier and about half a dozen clubs were relegated to form Super League. If they believe that then they are unlikely to demote Quins no matter how bad things get.

The attitude of the people running Quins is of minor interest to me now, investment is really what matters. Melbourne Storm is Australia have built their success on dollars from News Ltd. Sustained investment in expansion is a winning model, but whether it is achievable is another matter, and that's before the parochial tendency start wailling.

They have been funded for 30 years now and have spent half of that time at the elite level. If after 15 years at the top level and with the security of a three year safety net they are not seen as a good investment then they are not likely to be. There has to come a point where people say enough is enough and to stop holding back clubs that could advance better than Quins have simply due to geography (this is not the fault of Quins as a club but of those making the decisions). If a point is reached where Quins are the poorest option of the 14 due to a number of factors and the best of the rest are better equipped then Quins have to go down.

Statements like these are just daft, nobody is going to magic another London SL club out of their booty and not face the same problems, or even worse problems. It's about investment, that's all!'"

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