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Quote: SmokeyTA "In what way would it be a boost to Cas and Wakey? Another team to cannibalise their support? Another team to compete with for young players? The district of Wakefield is struggling to prove it can support two SL clubs, never mind three.

Even regardless of their location, Cas are a tiny village, with a small stadium. Without holding back the top clubs, how are they ever supposed to compete?'"


Wow, are you embarrassed of that rant ? If not you need medical help.

If you new anything of the five towns area you would know that a Cas fan would rather chew his arm off than follow fev or wakey , and the same applies for wakey and fev fans.

In the words of the legend Arthur Lowe " you stupid boy "

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Quote: biggunbrad "Wow, are you embarrassed of that rant ? If not you need medical help.

If you new anything of the five towns area you would know that a Cas fan would rather chew his arm off than follow fev or wakey , and the same applies for wakey and fev fans.

In the words of the legend Arthur Lowe " you stupid boy "'"

What about new fans that haven't picked a club yet?

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Quote: Wellsy13 "...If you don't like Magic Weekend, don't go. But don't tell others they shouldn't just because you don't like it!'"

I wouldn't presume to tell anyone not to go.
In this thread, people are discussing the structure of the league and others are responding with "but what about the Magic Weekend?".
The Magic Weekend was a means to an end (as you have mentioned) ... so trying to structure a league and a season around such an event, especially one which has failed to fulfil any of its supposed purposes, is like wanting the tail to wag the dog.

Quote: Wellsy13 "...How any real RL fan can't sit down and enjoy 7 games of elite RL is beyond me...'"

If you like Magic Weekend, you go. But don't tell others they are not a real RL fan because they don't.

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Quote: Wellsy13 "Why would you? Teams don't have to play each other an equal amount of times. They just have to have an even number of matches. One team (the one that misses out on the Magic Weekend) would just have to have two on the road games instead.'"

That doesn't add up though.

There is only one team which misses out at the Magic Weekend, so who do they play their 'catch-up' game against? Whoever it is, that other team will then have them played one more game than everyone else.

A 13 team league is no real problem, it just means one team gets a bye each week, but MM won't work as a 'league' round.

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Quote: Bulliac "That doesn't add up though.

There is only one team which misses out at the Magic Weekend, so who do they play their 'catch-up' game against? Whoever it is, that other team will then have them played one more game than everyone else.

A 13 team league is no real problem, it just means one team gets a bye each week, but MM won't work as a 'league' round.'"



It's been explained in full twice on page 15.

But the abridged version is

Millenium Magic 12 teams play

Extra week for 1 MM team and the team that sat it out.

Then a further week for the 12 teams that are one game behind.

Job done everyone plays home and away plus 2 extra games.

There are other ways to do it, but mathematically this is the simplest way for most people to see it.

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So...

It's really really simple then...

1) Manchester Magic Weekend - for those teams who aren't missing out, not on the road yet but might miss out if you are Wigan or Catalan.

2) Jack Kerouac Magic Weekend - where most teams are erm... on the road... but not all teams.

3) Catch Up Magic Weekend - for those not involved in Manchester or Jack Kerouac Magic.

4) RIP London Magic Weekend/M25 MAGIC Weekend - for those teams who might have been on the road but weren't magically in Manchester and who miss London and the M25.

5) Magic Bye Weekend - where every team gets a week off and two free points each, unless they missed out on Manchester Magic or weren't magically on the road and still require a magical catch-up fix.

RL of the Magically Extraordinary!!


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Quote: Wellsy13 "Example (using alphabetical order)

Mr Churchill suggested this 1 st post on page 11 , and you are all correct, with the play offs you dont neccessarily require everybody to play each other equally, similarily to the NRL

However they didnt/dont have relegation, and that makes a difference , especially to a club that loses its place

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Quote: Wellsy13 "The purpose of the Magic Weekend is to give those who don't go a reason (whatever they choose) to moan. They will pick it's primary purpose at the whim of their negative opinion (earlier its primary purpose was to "spread the game"icon_wink.gif and then b*tch and moan about it and suggest scrapping it.

I've been to every Magic Weekend (apart from this year's which I'd just got back from Cyprus for so couldn't afford it, and man was I devastated!). They've often been a highlight of my season. Great fans. Great days. Great stadiums. Great evenings out. How any real RL fan can't sit down and enjoy 7 games of elite RL is beyond me.

And for those questioning the "primary purpose" of the Magic Weekend, it was to allow the fixtures to drop from 28 to 27 fixtures whilst still obtaining the same income. The rest was a bonus.

If you don't like Magic Weekend, don't go. But don't tell others they shouldn't just because you don't like it!'"

Fun appears to be a concept unfamiliar to Mr Eve.

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2014 bottom two teams dont make it into the 2015 12 team SL. If Fev were brought in for the 2014 season ligically it would simply mean they end up being relegated as any team coming up is likley to need 1 season to find their feet.

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Quote: mikej "2014 bottom two teams dont make it into the 2015 12 team SL. If Fev were brought in for the 2014 season ligically it would simply mean they end up being relegated as any team coming up is likley to need 1 season to find their feet.'"


Since when has ' what is likely to happen ' been relevant to sport?

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Quote: Starbug "Mr Churchill suggested this 1 st post on page 11 , and you are all correct, with the play offs you dont neccessarily require everybody to play each other equally, similarily to the NRL

However they didnt/dont have relegation, and that makes a difference , especially to a club that loses its place'"



But teams already have this issue. The magic weekend already makes it a league without an even number of home and away games. 13 teams just adds one extra game on top to make sure everyone has the same number of games.

People love to make it sound more complex than needed. I'm not sure if this is on purpose or due to very poor mathematics.

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Quote: bewareshadows "But teams already have this issue. The magic weekend already makes it a league without an even number of home and away games. 13 teams just adds one extra game on top to make sure everyone has the same number of games.

People love to make it sound more complex than needed. I'm not sure if this is on purpose or due to very poor mathematics.'"


So 13 home and 13 away isnt even?, its your maths thats poor

With 13 teams everything above 24 games starts to skew the fixtures, we currently only have 1 with no relegation, to have an even number of matches would probably mean 28 matches which would be 4 ' skewed ' games, more than enough to upset a club that was relegated, 26 would just about be acceptable

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Quote: Starbug "So 13 home and 13 away isnt even?, its your maths thats poor

With 13 teams everything above 24 games starts to skew the fixtures, we currently only have 1 with no relegation, to have an even number of matches would probably mean 28 matches which would be 4 ' skewed ' games, more than enough to upset a club that was relegated, 26 would just about be acceptable'"



I missed this, we currently don't have an even number of matches.
People where saying the MM weekend could not work with 13 teams.
I gave the example that it could. With 2 more weekends.

I did not say that 13 home and away games is not even, I said that using the current format of everyone playing home and away, plus the magic weekend on top. It requires everyone to play one more game on top of that to make sure all teams play an equal number of times.

In a league of 13, you can't have 13 home and 13 away games. You can't play yourself.

You can have 12 home, 12 away, MM weekend, one weekend with 2 teams only and a further weekend. Everyone plays 26 games.

Currently the fixtures are skewed, with 14 teams the fixtures would still be skewed as we would still have MM, with 13 the fixtures would be skewed, but with 2 extra games not 1.
The point was a league of 13 does not effect MM any more than a league of 14.

In the end it does not matter at the top end of the table, does it matter if we have 25 or 26 matches at the bottom end? 14 teams would have 25 fixtures each, 13 teams would require 26 fixtures each. It's splitting hairs to say 1 extra match if fine currently, but 2 extra skews the fixtures too much. If anything 2 extra fixtures is more even, if you match the teams well enough.

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If they do have to go with 13 then why not drop Magic for one season. Then in 2015 have two ie SL1 and SL2. Simples

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Quote: DemonUK "If they do have to go with 13 then why not drop Magic for one season. Then in 2015 have two ie SL1 and SL2. Simples'"

How can SL drop the magical crown jewels of the regular season?

Even for one season?

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