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before todays match against hull fc, i thought warrington were up there with wigan, but against a depleted fc team, without a recognised 6 & 7 for 3/4 of the game, a scoreline that flattered them in the end shows how far wigan are ahead of everyone else

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Quote: Donna "You were the one picking out specifics. I was just highlighting the error in your train of thought OK, how's this...

Paul Sculthorpe had a better range of Rugby League skills than Ellery Hanley

Ellery Hanley was a better Rugby League player than Paul Sculthorpe

Do you disagree with either of those two statements?... this has been the crux of the conversation - not one person on this thread has said that Sculthorpe was a better player than Hanley - just more of an all round player

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Quote: number 6 "before todays match against hull fc, i thought warrington were up there with wigan, but against a depleted fc team, without a recognised 6 & 7 for 3/4 of the game, a scoreline that flattered them in the end shows how far wigan are ahead of everyone else'"


Or how Hull really aren't that brilliant.

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Quote: number 6 "before todays match against hull fc, i thought warrington were up there with wigan, but against a depleted fc team, without a recognised 6 & 7 for 3/4 of the game, a scoreline that flattered them in the end shows how far wigan are ahead of everyone else'"


What a load of absolute tosh. Wigan aren't much better than anyone. They are no better than several sides in Super League and are not concrete odds on favourites for Super League as people are making out.

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Quote: Saddened! "What a load of absolute tosh. Wigan aren't much better than anyone. They are no better than several sides in Super League and are not concrete odds on favourites for Super League as people are making out.'"


Poor attempt. 1/10.

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next few weeks could have come at the correct time for us, we need to rest up and get some of the players fit, roberts is going to be a big miss for us.

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Wigan are currently playing very well and it looks like Michael Maguire is not the kind of coach to let the team ease off - having said that, I can't see them as favourites a this stage

For me, there are four teams capable of winning Super League this year based on star players, coaching pedigree and strength of squad - in order on the league table, they are Wigan, Warrington, Saints and Leeds

Leeds are leaving themselves with a lot to do in the table to have a home run in the play-off's but they are still a massive threat on their day

If I had to put some favourites into the mix today I would say...

1st Saints
2nd Wigan / Warrington
3rd Leeds

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Quote: cadoo "Poor attempt. 1/10.'"


Why? You really think you are 'much better (Note, not playing better, but overall a much better side) than the likes of Saints, Leeds, Warrington, Huddersfield, Hull KR and Hull? Would you also have Wigan down as odds on favourites for Super League this season? Massive call if you would as there is no recent trophy or even big game winning history to base that on.

IMO any of those sides has as much of a claim to a trophy this season as Wigan. You have come up with some impressive early season form, but no trophies are handed out for months yet.

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: Saddened! "Why? You really think you are 'much better (Note, not playing better, but overall a much better side) than the likes of Saints, Leeds, Warrington, Huddersfield, Hull KR and Hull? Would you also have Wigan down as odds on favourites for Super League this season? Massive call if you would as there is no recent trophy or even big game winning history to base that on.

IMO any of those sides has as much of a claim to a trophy this season as Wigan. You have come up with some impressive early season form, but no trophies are handed out for months yet.'"


Saints fans are quite happy to say that when they are below wigan but if you were above it would be a difference story.

We are quite aware that trophies are not given out yet, but surely being top of the league after 10 games is better than not being top of the league.

We are looking good for a top 2 finish, for the last 3 years the top two have contested the GF, thats ok with me.

We are playing better rugby than all the teams you mention. We also have an injury crisis and we are dealing with it.

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[quote="Mark"]Great game of rugby league. Fantastic atmosphere, Wigan were breathtaking and dominant in all areas for the first 25 minutes, coupled with us making alot of dumb mistakes,then fortunately they brought McIlorum on which helped us back into the game. I thought some of the tries we scored to get us within two we're out of this world stuff. Towards the end we had to force it a little and we had a few things go wrong, i.e Monas kick on the first for King and Solomona going off who was causing havoc. Wigan were clinical in their eventual execution of us. Proud of Wire today and gave us a little glimpse to the future. Silverwood was awful as per, but I expect no less. Tomkins is a world class player and by far the best english player in SL. Wigan are a champion side and would be a worthy winner of taking our title as challenge cup. Good luck over the next month and a bit.[/quote]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_23997.jpg



Quote: Saddened! "What a load of absolute tosh. Wigan aren't much better than anyone. They are no better than several sides in Super League and are not concrete odds on favourites for Super League as people are making out.'"
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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: Dunbar "Wigan are currently playing very well and it looks like Michael Maguire is not the kind of coach to let the team ease off - having said that, I can't see them as favourites a this stage

For me, there are four teams capable of winning Super League this year based on star players, coaching pedigree and strength of squad - in order on the league table, they are Wigan, Warrington, Saints and Leeds

Leeds are leaving themselves with a lot to do in the table to have a home run in the play-off's but they are still a massive threat on their day

If I had to put some favourites into the mix today I would say...

1st Saints
2nd Wigan / Warrington
3rd Leeds'"


I really don't see how you can put saints above wigan from this years form!

One bad half of rugby is all we have done wrong.

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Quote: Odemwingie "I really don't see how you can put saints above wigan from this years form!

One bad half of rugby is all we have done wrong.'"

I'm not putting Saints above Wigan on this seasons form - Wigan are above Saints in the table and rightly so

But I am putting Saints as more likely to win at Old Trafford in October though... not by much but I would say Saints are slight favourites

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Wigan playing well?

They’ve not even got out of third gear yet this season if you listen to some loyal 18 fans.

Personally I think that Wigan look the best team this season and will be interesting to see if they can keep it going for a full season. What Michael Maguire has done to Wigan is what Tony Smith did to Leeds in 2004. Wigan were already one of the best teams in England before Maguire took over and he only needed to make a few small changes to make them the best that their currently are.

Perhaps one thing a lot of people seem to forget about Leeds is the fact that people always lift their game to play the champions. This year teams are lifting it more than ever and that’s evident thanks to the early season losses!

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: Damo-Leeds "Wigan playing well?

They’ve not even got out of third gear yet this season if you listen to some loyal 18 fans.

Personally I think that Wigan look the best team this season and will be interesting to see if they can keep it going for a full season. What Michael Maguire has done to Wigan is what Tony Smith did to Leeds in 2004. Wigan were already one of the best teams in England before Maguire took over and he only needed to make a few small changes to make them the best that their currently are.

Perhaps one thing a lot of people seem to forget about Leeds is the fact that people always lift their game to play the champions. This year teams are lifting it more than ever and that’s evident thanks to the early season losses!'"


Your actually spot on there damo. We have not hit full form yet and we have injuries. We now have a few easier games on paper so hopefully we can be going into the murrayfield game with an 8 game winning streak. Maguire has made all the small changes and its paying off, but we still havn't seeen the best from this wigan team.

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