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Quote: The Changing Man ".....because 22 teams in the top 24 from north of Coventry isn't a national sport.....it's a northern hobby and it gets treated as such by the national press!'"


A northern hobby?

Does anyone seriously believe that if pro rugby league was concentrated in the South of England, rather than the North, people would be talking about the 'M4 corridor' or a 'southern hobby'? icon_evil.gif

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Quote: moto748 "A northern hobby?'"


24 Top Tier Rugby League teams, 1 in France, 1 in London and 22 in the North. This isn't an "if" scenario....or even a "what if" suggestion, it is a cold hard fact......22 of the top 24 sides are located between Sheffield in the south to Workington in the north and Widnes in the west to Hull in the East.......sorry buddy but that aint the midlands, it ain't the south, it ain't the west country and it ain't scotland or wales either...it's the North!

Wakefield - Salford - Hull FC - Hull Kingston Rovers - Widnes - Huddersfield - Leeds - Wigan - Warrington - St Helens - Castleford - Oldham - Bradford - Leigh - Halifax - Sheffield - Featherstone - Dewsbury - Batley - Whitehaven - Workington - Keighley or Swinton.....all of these towns and cities are Northern Town and Cities.


Quote: moto748 "Does anyone seriously believe that if pro rugby league was concentrated in the South of England, rather than the North, people would be talking about the 'M4 corridor' or a 'southern hobby'?
Find me a professional sport that's top 24 sides are confined to the south or M4 Corridor and I'll let you know!

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Quote: moto748 "A northern hobby?'"

22 of the top 23 teams in England are inside that red area


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Quote: The Changing Man "Post 1 in this thread
Nope. The OP said we should not be so down on our own international game because of where players are from despite being selected for other nations because it also happens in the other code. Now I don't actually think that that is a big reason for why our international game isn't as good as it could be, it makes no difference to me. If a player's grandparents are from a country then they have every right to play for that country.

But at least his post was about our international game in subject on the whole (he just used the other code as an example to go with his argument). But it also wasn't meant so that what could have been a decent thread should descend into a ing stupid thread. A number of posters in this thread seem to want to think the OP was about Union so they could all talk about Union as much as they could.

I used a comparison to women's cricket in one of my posts but there hasn't been a derailment of the thread about women's cricket has there?

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Quote: BuckleyStreetWire "I used a comparison to women's cricket in one of my posts but there hasn't been a derailment of the thread about women's cricket has there?'"

Not that I am aware, but then again I have no doubt they have less heritage players than league too.

Edit: Just checked....8 sides all genuine locals playing for their countries. No attempt to fill Irish or scots teams with 2nd grade Anzac's and English to "make it bigger".
Edit Edit: there were countless posts after the op from people wishing to compare the two codes so I'll take it you'llcomplain to them as well?

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Quote: The Changing Man "24 Top Tier Rugby League teams, 1 in France, 1 in London and 22 in the North. This isn't an "if" scenario....or even a "what if" suggestion, it is a cold hard fact
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France also have Elite 1. Are they really that much worse than Hunslet and Doncaster?

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Quote: The Changing Man "Not that I am aware, but then again I have no doubt they have less heritage players than league too.

Edit
If I had time I'd possibly think of bothering.

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Quote: galliant "o

So if it's an anti-league bias how come they are, as you say, in favour of Ford?

Keep digging
They are only in favour of Ford because Cipriani wasn't in the squad so the choice at fly half has to be between 2 Players who learnt their rugby in League. Ford only got his chance when Farrell was out injured. He took it well and played some fine rugby and I like him a lot.

But getting back to the point. Farrell has regained his fitness and form while Ford has lost a bit of sharpness, hence the selection of Farrell which you didn't understand. His Man of the Match performance justified his selection as did Burgess who did the job he was asked to do and his substitution was one of the reasons England lost. Yet some of the hacks were putting the blame on these selections rather than on the poor performances of the "experienced" Union.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "They are only in favour of Ford because Cipriani wasn't in the squad so the choice at fly half has to be between 2 Players who learnt their rugby in League. Ford only got his chance when Farrell was out injured. He took it well and played some fine rugby and I like him a lot.

But getting back to the point. Farrell has regained his fitness and form while Ford has lost a bit of sharpness, hence the selection of Farrell which you didn't understand. His Man of the Match performance justified his selection as did Burgess who did the job he was asked to do and his substitution was one of the reasons England lost. Yet some of the hacks were putting the blame on these selections rather than on the poor performances of the "experienced" Union.'"


The 2 players who got it most in the press were Robshaw and Barritt who are part of the 'experienced Union', which blows your paranoid theory out of the water. I've seen most of the England team get a slagging in the press but you are saying because Farrell and Burgess have been included along with the rest of the team it must be because they have a RL connection d040.gif

Keep digging icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "France also have Elite 1. Are they really that much worse than Hunslet and Doncaster?'"


1.Toulouse spent 2 years in the English 2nd tier ending in them being relegated.
2.Toulouse have since won 2 of 3 French Elite 1 Titles.
3.Hunslet and Doncaster aren't in the Championship. They've been replaced by Oldham and A.A.NOTHER to be decided at the weekend!

But if you like....


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Quote: BuckleyStreetWire "If I had time I'd possibly think of bothering.'"


I didn't drift this thread and nor did I make it about the RWC. It's a sad reflection on the standard of posters here that debate is dead and accusations are the new currency. You claimed I'd ruined the thread, the Printer and loiner claimed I'd made it about the RWC 2015 and that's all people want to hear......because they can't handle certain facts. ....here's a recap for you.

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Quote: BuckleyStreetWire "International RL is a joke, mainly because the RLIF is a joke. That and the fact the NRL don't give a toss either. The RLWC left zero legacy on the game. The RUWC will p!ss all over the RLWC in terms of revenue, crowd figures etc...'"

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Quote: BuckleyStreetWire "Everything but tries and entertainment value, in fact.'"

Quote: BuckleyStreetWire "England made 77 tackles in their World Cup game against Fiji . James Roby made 62 tackles in the Saints v Wigan game.'"

Quote: BuckleyStreetWire "I just watched the highlights (JAPAN GAME). But the simple fact is that games like the Japan match are very much the exception to the rule in international RU.'"

Quote: BuckleyStreetWire "I obviously prefer watching rugby league, but I do enjoy watching RU as well, and personally cannot get my head round why people in league hate it so much, unless they are just envious of the coverage and exposure it gets. I also think RU is improving as a spectacle and the more RL influence of the offload and skills is assisting this. If anyone watches the Southern Hemisphere league that is very exciting to watch.
In Union the internationals are given more qudos over the league with clubs missing their star players while the 6 nations is on.
Also there is more quality at international level. Can u imagine a 6 nation tournament in league. There would be hissy fits about players playing in it and it would not be a competition at all.'"

Quote: BuckleyStreetWire "i doubt any RL fan would even try and deny that off the field RU is light years ahead of RL
on the field it's the other way round, imagine how popular "rugby" could be with union's money, marketing and influences, and league been played on the pitch?'"

Quote: BuckleyStreetWire "What an amazing start to the RU world cup, they really do put on a great event.'"


I HAD YET TO POST IN THIS THREAD AND ALREADY PEOPLE ARE COMPARING BOTH GAMES ON AND OFF THE PARK....

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Quote: BuckleyStreetWire "When I have watched union world cup in the past I have found the smaller nations actually take risks and kick less.

It's when then the knock out stages begin where it becomes absolute drivel. Teams play extremely safe and you just see teams kicking for goals and playing for penalties constantly.

The rules allow teams to be negative and win games.

Also I dunno why some fans have a problem with league fans not watching rugby union. I generally don't enjoy watching rugby union. It's nothing to do with union being a bigger spectacle. I just don't particularly like the sport.'"

Quote: BuckleyStreetWire "In Union only solo tackles are recorded as once joined by others it becomes a maul or ruck. In league 2nd 3rd and 4th floppers are awarded as a tackle. Forwards in Union have to work hard to contest possession in tackles, mauls, rucks, line outs and in real scrums. So your comparison is irrelevant as a comparison.'"

Quote: BuckleyStreetWire "Problem is it is like watching a poor amateur game of league most of the time with all the stopping and starting, kicking in to touch, penalties and general lack of ball in play. Still each to their own. In league the domestic competitions have always taken precedent since its inception, just the way it has been and is likely to stay.'"


SO HALF WAY THROUGH PAGE 3, WITH PLENTY OF COMPARING GOING ON AND I ADDRES THE ORIGINAL POSTERS CLAIMS

Quote: BuckleyStreetWire "Maybe you should stop obsessing about Union and you should definitely hold back on the straight comparisons......

660 players in 20 squads at RUWC 2015 of which I can find 71 playing for countries other than that of their Birth. 11%........that's a lot.

322 players in 14 squads at RLWC 2013 of which I could find 159 playing for countries other than that of their birth. That's 49%....that's a Joke...even more so when you consider those 159 were split between 9 sides at over 17 per 23 man squad as an average!'"


AND THEN IT BEGINS

Quote: BuckleyStreetWire "The biggest joke is that you spent your time noting the birthplace of nearly 1,000 players to try prove a point on a website.'"

Quote: BuckleyStreetWire "Another thread completely derailed by the clearly unwell Gutterfax and his multiple accounts.

Didn't take long at all for this thread about international RL to become a thread about the RUWC.

Is it any wonder that hardly anyone visits this forum anymore? The mods clearly don't spend any time here and I bet ad revenue's at an all time low.

Think i'll go check Twitter out for a bit before work. This place is dead.'"


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Quote: The Changing Man "1.Toulouse spent 2 years in the English 2nd tier ending in them being relegated.
2.Toulouse have since won 2 of 3 French Elite 1 Titles.
3.Hunslet and Doncaster aren't in the Championship. They've been replaced by Oldham and A.A.NOTHER to be decided at the weekend!

But if you like....
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1. The team Toulouse could put out in the championship had to cost less than the one they put in the elite.
2. That doesnt even address the problems that face a part time side having to travel to england every other week,
3. That isnt where Toulouse is on a Map, or the size of Catalonia. So what is that to represent?
4. You are undermining your own argument, why choose 22 of 23? The situation is as it is, we gain no more by overstating than understating it.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "1. The team Toulouse could put out in the championship had to cost less than the one they put in the elite.
2. That doesnt even address the problems that face a part time side having to travel to england every other week,
3. That isnt where Toulouse is on a Map, or the size of Catalonia. So what is that to represent?
4. You are undermining your own argument, why choose 22 of 23? The situation is as it is, we gain no more by overstating than understating it.'"

1. So what. The claim was Toulouse were as good as the 2 relegated champ side and I simply pointed out their 3rd tier record in England.
2. They were in it...that's all I said.
3. That are on the map covers the region where the elite 1 clubs are based from Avignon to Villeneuve in the West.....it was elite 1 that I was tasked with...and toulouse are covered by that red zone...it's south east of Villeneuve.
4. 22 from 23 originally saved me the bother of a single dot on a map of france...I really didn't think anyone would attempt to bring elite 1 up!

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Quote: galliant "The 2 players who got it most in the press were Robshaw and Barritt who are part of the 'experienced Union', which blows your paranoid theory out of the water. I've seen most of the England team get a slagging in the press but you are saying because Farrell and Burgess have been included along with the rest of the team it must be because they have a RL connection
You should try broadening your reading before you comment. Did you read Paul Hayward's stiff in the Telegraph? Or listen to Carling's comments.

You were questioning the selection of Farrell over Ford! Best try reading and less dodging a050.gif

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Quote: galliant "The 2 players who got it most in the press were Robshaw and Barritt who are part of the 'experienced Union', which blows your paranoid theory out of the water. I've seen most of the England team get a slagging in the press but you are saying because Farrell and Burgess have been included along with the rest of the team it must be because they have a RL connection 4.126953125:5
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