So there we have it you think it is OK for companies to take advantage of Mentally ill people and that the state should not be there to regulate or protect the vulnerable.

You think everything is about personally responsibility and reduce the states role.

Well at least we see your true principles which is you have very few. You are just Tory Bull this is the second time you have defended Margaret Thatcher despite me being very accurate about the quote she made.

That is why i am interested in this debate because it is about a battle of ideas.

Unfortunately the Tory ones you espouse are winning , cuts to the welfare state and if my team get some money out of a dodgy company then fine.

I hear Peter Rachmans companies my be looking to provide sponsorship too.


I hope the decent Bradford Bulls fans read your reply and challenge it.

Dont advertise Provident.
At least you are not one of the Badford sheep i give you credit for understanding the politics of it all i just think your free market Tory politics stink.

I've read both Adey's response and yours. If anyone's a sheep, it's you for bleating the same argument over and over again despite being corrected on points which you fail to acknowledge.

Everything is about personal responsibility. It's just people have been brought up to believe there's no such thing.
Had an accident? Sue someone. That's not a personal responsibility.

Also, at what point does Adey defend Margaret Thatcher? I've read his response and there doesn't seem to be anything there in his last response. Please enlighten me as to which bits are defending Margaret Thatcher and why.

Clearly, you've not watched the Panorama programme and are just riffing off what you've heard about it ie it shows Provident's lack of care when giving out loans and how they target vulnerable people. Which isn't the case, though they do try and push that idea to the forefront.

I have watched it and I've made a number of notes about the production and what little tricks of editing and other slight of hand they use to make an unbalanced argument.

What makes a payday loans company worse than a gambling or beer company? Or as Starbug points out, a double-glazing firm?
My gran was nearly ripped off by Everest a couple of years ago. Are they unsuitable to sponsor a rugby league club?

i wouldn't mind ron jeremy's name emblazoned across the LSV as long as he payed for the pleasure

Leaving aside the fact that Provident is hardly a "payday loans" company (I wonder how many of the vitriolic attackers on here actually know what its business encompasses?) the answer is, of course, obvious: worse because it is Bradford they are sponsoring.

I too have worked with poor and vulnerable people.

I don't like what these companies do, I doubt many people on here do. But this company is better than going to a loan shark (I have met people who have been affected by this, and believe me, these companies are needed so that people never ever go down that route) which is probably why they are choosing to do it. The better way is for advice against going to companies like provident. I understand that desperate people do desperate things, and some nasty clever bugger at the top of provident knows this alot better than me. But ATEOTD, nothing illegal is happening, people still have the choice and this company has put some serious money into Rugby League, at a time where the game really needs it, especially us.

Btw, I see you really hate the vulnerable being preyed on. Do you think Kopzcak will do well for you this season?

Please note the wink, I'm not actually likening that to people in these dreadful situations

I was once in a field of sheep, but they chased after me. If I get the opportunity again I will wear a thick white wooly coat and try to blend in. If I do manage to follow them I'll try to observe their activity and report back to you. If you improve your knowledge of sheep behaviour, as I'm sure you are keen to do, then you may be able to one day practice this yourself. It's actually quite exciting to meet another enthusiast of sheep behavioural analysis. Would you have any interest in forming a group or society?