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Quote: WelshRL&RUwatcher "The main reason I remember in 2005 ppl were saying Catalonia should be in SL was that they would improve the French national side like the NZ Warriors had, well that's a myth as NZ had at times a decent RL team in the 1980's. And as I suspected, Catalonia hasn't improved the French RL side.'"


Your absolutely right, but we have people who are somehow tickled by the idea of French clubs in Superleague as you see above. The only problem is these clubs will simply stop being "French" once in Superleague like Gausches "French" side who have been outed by French RL follower Barnyia. You can be sure if Toulouse got the nod out would go their French players for English and antpiodeans...

The fact is that for the game to survive and prosper we ideally need good International competition to attract attention. We could not get that from France, with the internationals ending up being annual hammerings of a French national squad blocked from playing at professional level and incapable of competing with games over by half time before ever lowering crowds. They were pulled.

We need to give English fans quality English content, not "French" content so that they buy the SKY subscriptions/ SKY have already warned the game if they go down the path of overseas sides then the SKY contract goes down the plughole. The game itself had to take a long hard look at itself and where is was going. The American dream was looked at and declared a dream and of no value to us here, France was also looked at and again no value there.

And it really isn't a complicated analysis, the game needs......

Paying ]TV contracts ]only the English clubs can get
Pro-Player development systems from junior to Superleague which only the English clubs run
and like it or not away fans - hence the SL are chasing the Bulls return

Three solid business reasons to go forward with SKY 2022 with an all English league which Lenegan indicated.

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Quote: Bulls Boy 2011 "

Catalans don't need to be a draw here, we probably aren't much of a draw over there. As long as they are a draw in Perpignan which they are. They've had average crowds between 7-9k since moving to Stade Gilbert Brutus. With the most supported seasons being 2018 (9,806) and 2016 (9,764). They also took the game on the road to Camp Nou (31,555) which is the record for SL attendance. So as long as they keep doing that, they deserve to be in the top flight. That in itself could be an attractor for SKY too. In my opinion Catalan being in the competition is much better for the game as a whole.

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Big thanks for the well considered interesting post. For some time the only answer to my view that the overseas clubs would not grow the sport, but would block clubs here from being part of Superleague, thus lowering our value to SKY who benefit from English fans subscriptions, and reducing the number of clubs developing players was cheap and cowardly insults from anonymous keyboard warriors. To be honest I'm so endeared with your reply I just want to respect your opinion and thank you for that :)[/color:p889vjdy]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_54039.jpg



Quote: Donnyman "Big thanks for the well considered interesting post. For some time the only answer to my view that the overseas clubs would not grow the sport, but would block clubs here from being part of Superleague, thus lowering our value to SKY who benefit from English fans subscriptions, and reducing the number of clubs developing players was cheap and cowardly insults from anonymous keyboard warriors. To be honest I'm so endeared with your reply I just want to respect your opinion and thank you for that :)[/color:p889vjdy]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_54039.jpg



Posted: December 6 2020 7:29 pm

Quote: WelshRL&RUwatcher "I'm not against Catalonia remaining in SL, it's just that the bigger fight IMO is to get more ppl who live in the north of England attending SL matches. One way of doing that is through the British Lions, and getting them playing more often and in a WC.'"


It's down to the clubs to try to get more people through the gates. People have less disposable income now than they did 10 years ago never mind 20. So they spend it on other things. Some SL clubs are charging £25 a ticket. For my family (Mum, Dad, Me, 2 sisters it would £110 on tickets alone if the kids were £10. That's a hell of a lot to be shelling out a week or every other week, not including food and drink and travel costs. So rightfully some people decide that money's best spent elsewhere. Make it affordable first. It's hard because clubs need the cash to survive. The product on the field needs to be good, RL used to be entertaining then they brought in structure and the wrestle which really dulled the game down (great to play as it made it harder to break down a defence) but not good for the fans. Now they are speeding up the game again and we've had arguably the most entertaining Grand Final in years even though there weren't many tries. Playing like that will also put bums on seats.

I would have agreed with your point about the British Lions about 40 years ago in the 80's and 90's when GB was the pinnacle of the sport here. Long gone are the days when kids wanted to be Davies, Hanley, Offiah because of their exploits in a GB jersey. The GB concept was dead in the water the minute they chose an Aussie coach and Aussie players. I love Wayne Bennett, easily the worlds best coach for representative rugby and has proven it again with Queensland this season. But he's not a GB coach.

Having a successful international side would be great for the game no doubt but that doesn't encourage the kids to play anymore. We have a big stage, and that is the Grand Final. The TV games. The local clubs. This is the pathway now a days. If you ask kids these days they want to be the next Tomkins, the next Walmsley, they want to be like Burrow, Sinfield, Hall. Because of their exploits at club level. I wanted to play because I loved the Bulls and in particular Robbie Paul and James Lowes. You get kids playing at a young age because they want to play with friends then it snowballs from there, you get right into the club and you feel a sense of belonging. Not because England managed to beat NZ in the Baskerville Cup.

For what it's worth the GB concept is 'romanticized' and I would love to see it back properly as I loved the early and mid 2000's games. But I also think having an Ireland, Wales and Scotland could provide players with an opportunity to play international rugby (maybe at a poorer standard) who wouldn't normally get selected by GB.

These days rugby is fighting against other things to occupy peoples free time. Especially kids. I was born in 1995 and in the early 2000's there was nothing better than going training on a weekday and playing winter rugby. Now kids have Playstations and Xbox's, Tik Tok and Fornite etc. Parents work for longer these days and may not have the free time to take their kids to training/games etc. It's getting harder to get kids involved.

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Posted: December 6 2020 9:20 pm

Quote: Bulls Boy 2011 "It's down to the clubs to try to get more people through the gates. People have less disposable income now than they did 10 years ago never mind 20. So they spend it on other things. Some SL clubs are charging £25 a ticket. For my family (Mum, Dad, Me, 2 sisters it would £110 on tickets alone if the kids were £10. That's a hell of a lot to be shelling out a week or every other week, not including food and drink and travel costs. So rightfully some people decide that money's best spent elsewhere. Make it affordable first. It's hard because clubs need the cash to survive. The product on the field needs to be good, RL used to be entertaining then they brought in structure and the wrestle which really dulled the game down (great to play as it made it harder to break down a defence) but not good for the fans. Now they are speeding up the game again and we've had arguably the most entertaining Grand Final in years even though there weren't many tries. Playing like that will also put bums on seats.

I would have agreed with your point about the British Lions about 40 years ago in the 80's and 90's when GB was the pinnacle of the sport here. Long gone are the days when kids wanted to be Davies, Hanley, Offiah because of their exploits in a GB jersey. The GB concept was dead in the water the minute they chose an Aussie coach and Aussie players. I love Wayne Bennett, easily the worlds best coach for representative rugby and has proven it again with Queensland this season. But he's not a GB coach.

Having a successful international side would be great for the game no doubt but that doesn't encourage the kids to play anymore. We have a big stage, and that is the Grand Final. The TV games. The local clubs. This is the pathway now a days. If you ask kids these days they want to be the next Tomkins, the next Walmsley, they want to be like Burrow, Sinfield, Hall. Because of their exploits at club level. I wanted to play because I loved the Bulls and in particular Robbie Paul and James Lowes. You get kids playing at a young age because they want to play with friends then it snowballs from there, you get right into the club and you feel a sense of belonging. Not because England managed to beat NZ in the Baskerville Cup.

For what it's worth the GB concept is 'romanticized' and I would love to see it back properly as I loved the early and mid 2000's games. But I also think having an Ireland, Wales and Scotland could provide players with an opportunity to play international rugby (maybe at a poorer standard) who wouldn't normally get selected by GB.

These days rugby is fighting against other things to occupy peoples free time. Especially kids. I was born in 1995 and in the early 2000's there was nothing better than going training on a weekday and playing winter rugby. Now kids have Playstations and Xbox's, Tik Tok and Fornite etc. Parents work for longer these days and may not have the free time to take their kids to training/games etc. It's getting harder to get kids involved.'"

Obviously I've heard most of that before, it's similar to RU down here. Kids, do tend to think and feel more local, adults, to get most of us interested it takes a bit more than that, and to get more people with more disposable income to watch RL, that's only going to be done through international matches. There are hardly any Welsh bred guys playing for Wales, there are even fewer Scots and Irish bred players in those nations, I think in any case.

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Posted: December 6 2020 10:20 pm

Quote: WelshRL&RUwatcher "Obviously I've heard most of that before, it's similar to RU down here. Kids, do tend to think and feel more local, adults, to get most of us interested it takes a bit more than that, and to get more people with more disposable income to watch RL, that's only going to be done through international matches. There are hardly any Welsh bred guys playing for Wales, there are even fewer Scots and Irish bred players in those nations, I think in any case.'"


Explain how that will be done by international matches? I'd be interested to see how that works? If there's no structure in Wales for example from the bottom up then Wales can't produce players and can't have a successful team. If Wales suddenly became competitive it would suddenly increase participation in Wales. They did well in 1995 at the World Cup but there wasn't anything after? There needs to be a build of the amateur game first, like they are doing in Newcastle. At the moment there's development in Ireland with Longhorns RL and Galway Tribesmen etc. Theres a born and bred Irishman in Ronan Michael whos at Huddersfield at the moment, hopefully this shows there can be success for Irish players.

Wales are probably further ahead than Ireland and Scotland and have two clubs at the moment in North Wales and West Wales. I think from the outside looking in West Wales are at least trying to play local Welsh players, they've suffered but how good was it when they got their first win? This will help majorly as they are getting exposure to the lower leagues. If this continues over the next few years whos to say West Wales can't be competitive in the higher positions of League 1?

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