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Quote: CodeXIIINotXV "How can we even be sure the BARB are accurate anyway?'"

Because BARB are the official source for TV viewing figures which drive advertising revenue rates commercial TV companies can earn.

Quote: CodeXIIINotXV "I would personally take Sky's figure as they will be able to track a lot more accurately the amount of viewers watching there channel.'"

BARB is partly owned and financed by Sky... duh!

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Quote: CodeXIIINotXV "How can we even be sure the BARB are accurate anyway? From what I've read in various articles etc they are out by 3-5% on a regular basis. I would personally take Sky's figure as they will be able to track a lot more accurately the amount of viewers watching there channel.

On top of these figures I doubt they take into account pubs and bars that have the games on as you cannot accurately predict the amount of people in each establishment. I am also interested in the figure, is this individual households that had the program on, because you cannot accurately represent the number of people in a household watching a channel. You've also got recorded copies watched later, plus people who stream illegally

I was on the BARB panel for two years before I moved house and all you really had was a listening device attached to your Sky box and your tv. We were told each adult represents 10,000 people which each person having a log in letter plus you could add a number of guests. I guess children represent a lower number when they are watching something. Also you are still counted as watching something up to seven days afterwards. They used to announce X Factor etc audiences on a Saturday night in the Sunday papers but the figure will be adjusted in the week for people watching it on catch up.

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Quote: CodeXIIINotXV "How can we even be sure the BARB are accurate anyway? From what I've read in various articles etc they are out by 3-5% on a regular basis. I would personally take Sky's figure as they will be able to track a lot more accurately the amount of viewers watching there channel.
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Sky can tell what is being watched with a fair bit of accuracy. They can also get a good idea of the make up those watching, How many are watching, what they regularly watch, what platform they are watching through. They have 2 companies set up which not only takes and processes huge amounts of information about their viewers and their viewing habits and how that translates into advertising opportunities and predicted advertising opportunities.

They will, pretty soon, if not now in some cases, be targeting certain advertisements to certain members of the households, at certain times, so you will get a different advert to me, who will get a different advert to an old man in Manchester, who will get a different advert to Willy Eve who will get adverts targeted at middle aged internet trolls.

I can assure you that nobody from Sky is walking in to an advertising sales pitch asking if people want to buy air-time based on BARB figures.

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You are aware that if your Sky box is connected to the phone system then it sends/receives data on a regular basis.

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Official BARB viewing figures now being questioned and taken to task as being inaccurate by the RFL Moonie Massive because they don't tally with the alleged record box-office breaking viewing figures as claimed by the RFL.

Extremely questionable viewing figures by the RFL now ascribed to Sky themselves whose figures must be far more accurate and realistic than anyone else's.

Huge WOW!

You couldn't make this crap up!

Well... you could if you were a member of the unquestioningly loyal RFL Moonie Massive on this forum I suppose icon_lol.gif

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Quote: CodeXIIINotXV "plus people who stream illegally
Aye, usually people who don't go to any live games unless they've blagged a free ticket and are too cheap to pay for a sports channel subscription unless it's heavily discounted to the point where the channel in question probably won't continue showing (N)RL in the future due to lack of subscribers.

Funny thing is, those same people are usually the first to post about low attendance figures, dispute high TV viewing figures and incredibly have the nerve to berate those who take advantage of offers such as discounted WC tickets which enable real fans to take in more games.

You couldn't make this crap up! icon_lol.gif

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The internet age has brought up a generation of users who EXPECT to be able to get everything "free". Most are dumb enough to believe that it actually IS free. Others believe it is their right to download video, films, music etc free and "do not believe" in having to pay for stuff.

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Quote: William Eve "
You couldn't make this crap up!

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Just out of curiosity do you like/watch/follow Rugby League?

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Quote: wrencat1873 "The Stobart adverts weren't on the curtainsde vehicles, they were on "rigids" and it either needs a long time exposed to the elements or a tin of paint.
In actual fact they are probably transfers and could be removed and something else put on instead.'"


I think it must be both curtainsiders and rigids because I've seen three Stobart curtainsiders tri-axle trailers with the advertising on.
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Quote: William Eve "[sizeBREAKING NEWS!!![/size

RFL discovered to be talking bollox rlHERErl about the record breaking, smashing all box office records figure of 353,000 viewers tuning into the Wigan V Huddersfield opening SL fixture on Sky Sports 1 on Friday 7th Feb.

The actual viewing figure was 243,000 according to w/e 9 Feb 2014
000's
1 LIVE FORD SUPER SUNDAY - MATCH (SUN 1525) 1,910
2 LIVE FORD MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL (MON 1900) 1,598
3 LIVE FORD SUPER SUNDAY - MATCH (SUN 1230) 1,133
4 FORD SATURDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL LIVE (SAT 1657) 697
5 FL72 LIVE - YEOVIL V LEEDS (SAT 1200) 374
6 GILLETTE SOCCER SATURDAY 09-10 (SAT 1500) 338
7 LIVE PREMIER LEAGUE DARTS/#PREMIER LEAGU (THU 1900 284
8 LIVE SUPER LEAGUE (FRI 1900) 243
9 REAL MADRID V AT MADRID-LIVE (WED 1855) 241
10 REAL SOCIEDAD V LEVANTE-LIVE (SUN 1830) 219
...(*Source

They also told porkies about the viewing figures for the Aviva Premiership game on BT Sport 1 which registered 75,000 viewers according to BARB as opposed to the 65,200 claimed by the RFL.

BT Sport 1
w/e 9 Feb 2014
000's
1 BARCLAYS PREMIER LEAGUE (SAT 1200) 973
2 FA CUP (WED 1915) 127

3 AVIVA PREMIERSHIP RUGBY (FRI 1900) 75
4 FRENCH LIGUE 1 (SUN 1955) 51
5 AVIVA PREMIERSHIP RUGBY (SAT 1830) 45
6 AVIVA PREMIERSHIP RUGBY (SUN 1200) 44
7 NBA (SAT 1506) 40
8 SERIE A (MON 1943) 29
9 GOAL! BUNDESLIGA PREVIEW (THU 2059) 24
10 FRENCH LEAGUE CUP (TUE 195icon_cool.gif 20
...(* Source

To summarise the RFL horse earlier this week.....
1. The 353,000 was actually 243,000 which was less than the 251,000 viewers who tuned into the Widnes V Wakey SL opener in 2012.

2. The alleged 38% increase in viewing figures on last season's SL opener was actually 29% (243K v 188K).

3. The alleged extra 288,000 viewers tuning into Super League on 7th Feb which was alleged to be 543% higher than the alleged viewers for the Union game on the much smaller BT Sport subscription base was actually an extra 168,000 which is 324% higher (243K v 75K).

4. I expect the RFL viewing comparison to BDO Darts on Eurosport (A desperate RFL or what? Well, they are hardly going to compare the figures with Premier League Darts for obvious reasons

Could you point me to the data?

Your link was just to the BARB website and I couldn't find any way to dig down to each broadcast and/or your league table of viewers. All I found were individual channel average weekly viewers?

Also I wasn't aware that attendance figures are banned on here? icon_eek.gif

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Quote: saint at wire "Could you point me to the data?'"

www.barb.co.uk
scroll over the on the viewing data tab, click on top 10's.
Then scroll along the channels, select Sky Sports 1 (you can hold Ctrl and select multiples if you want) and then select the date you require....Feb 03-09.....hit VIEW DATA and low and behold, there's SL on 243k below darts but above Spanish soccer. icon_cool.gif

Got to love those of a more "insecure" nature questioning the industry accepted standard for collection and reporting of viewing data. icon_lol.gif
Quote: saint at wire "Could you point me to the data?'"

www.barb.co.uk
scroll over the on the viewing data tab, click on top 10's.
Then scroll along the channels, select Sky Sports 1 (you can hold Ctrl and select multiples if you want) and then select the date you require....Feb 03-09.....hit VIEW DATA and low and behold, there's SL on 243k below darts but above Spanish soccer. icon_cool.gif

Got to love those of a more "insecure" nature questioning the industry accepted standard for collection and reporting of viewing data. icon_lol.gif


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Quote: gutterfax "
Got to love those of a more "insecure" nature questioning the industry accepted standard for collection and reporting of viewing data. Why would Sky rely on far more inaccurate and far less complete data than they already have access to? 86% of their boxes are connected to the internet and providing instant data about viewing. They have two seperate companies which sort through this data, profile it and also sell some of this data on.

They are able to provide specific advertising access to specific areas of the country and specific demographics and specific households.

They do of course ignore the data that they have, that they profile, that they sell, that they gathered from about 11m people in favour of the 5100 households that provide the BARB figures, because as any statistician knows, the smaller the data set, the better the results.

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Could all Moonies please take note of the following guidelines...

1. Do not take any notice of any official viewing figures presented by BARB. Their figures are fudged, agenda-driven, incomplete and based on an extremely small and biased sample set. Their viewing figures intentionally portray rugby league in the most negative light possible whilst artificially boosting rugby union viewing figures on BT Sport. In conclusion, BARB are not to be trusted as an organisation because they must really hate rugby league.

2. Viewing figures issued by the RFL (via their partners at Sky) are the only viewing figures to display incredible accuracy and potency. They shall always guide you towards the real truth. They also prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Super League is far more popular than **darts. As for rugby union viewing figures on BT Sport? Hahahahahaha - according to Sky's incredibly accurate findings on their hugely more popular TV platform.

3. The highest ever, record breaking, box office smashing viewing figures for the opening game of Super League as announced by the RFL (via their Sky partners) were in 2012 (Widnes V Wakefield) and 2014 (Wigan V Hudds) and these are incontrovertible facts! It is mere coincidence that both those opening games produced astronomical Sky viewing figures which just happened to coincide with recent fanfare announcements of fantastically brand new Sky deals to televise the game from 2012-2016 and then extend it from 2017-2021 respectively.

** That'll be more popular than BDO darts on Eurosport as opposed to PDC Premier League darts on erm... oh, that's right... Sky.

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There not doing a very good job at boosting g union viewing figures lol. Must try harder.

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Quote: JB Down Under "There not doing a very good job at boosting g union viewing figures lol. Must try harder.'"

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Send more money!!!!!!!

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