Truth hurts!!

Hock basically confirmed he and other players had been drinking after the Italy game and he also missed a 10 minute warm down swim the following morning.

From BBC Sport Website:

Gareth Hock has told the BBC that he does not think his breach of discipline was serious enough for him to be removed from England's World Cup squad.

The 30-year-old said he and some of his team-mates went on a night out after England's surprise defeat by Italy.

Hock overslept the next morning, missing a recovery session, and was informed of his dismissal in a phone conversation with coach Steve McNamara.

"For missing a 10 minute swim - I think it's out of order really," said Hock.

"I agree that it was wrong and we shouldn't have had a drink, but there were six or seven of us and we all did the same thing."

England have said they will make no further comment about Hock's removal. Huddersfield's Brett Ferres has been added to the squad in his place.

More to follow.

Why does everyone who steps out of line think that they automatically deserve a second chance FFS !?!?

It really p*sses me off that the majority can do the right thing, whilst the minority who don't then think they should be exempt any punative action.

It's pretty unprofessional for a 12 year old.

It's the kind of response you'd expect from a child..."I wasn't the only one", I can't believe that Salford have given this clown a contract

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/24641559 Nicely staged, sat in front of his England shirt and cap in a frame! So, not only is he out of the squad he feels that moaning about it on the national broadcast network is then next step If he was out with others and he missed a recovery session then he is clearly a different case to the others because 1. His disciplinary record is appalling (on and off the pitch) 2. He actually missed the session and the others didn’t Both of these two warrant he be treated more harshly However, I agree with a previous poster that the England players on the beer is a worry for me. They have a huge opportunity with this world cup to propel their sport forward and a huge responsibility to the RL community they represent. Maybe I am naive to think they will take this seriously Still, only three days and we are down to the action of the world cup and all will be revealed, I will be shouting them on as always

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/24641559 Nicely staged, sat in front of his England shirt and cap in a frame! So, not only is he out of the squad he feels that moaning about it on the national broadcast network is then next step If he was out with others and he missed a recovery session then he is clearly a different case to the others because 1. His disciplinary record is appalling (on and off the pitch) 2. He actually missed the session and the others didn’t Both of these two warrant he be treated more harshly However, I agree with a previous poster that the England players on the beer is a worry for me. They have a huge opportunity with this world cup to propel their sport forward and a huge responsibility to the RL community they represent. Maybe I am naive to think they will take this seriously Still, only three days and we are down to the action of the world cup and all will be revealed, I will be shouting them on as always

But a couple of posts back you said that this 'stinks of bad management' and you don't know the full facts. Have you got less than half a brain ???

So half a dozen of ‘em went out on the lash, only hours after a humiliating defeat!

Yet many posters believe it’s the size of the league or the S.C constraints that stop us competing with the Antipodeans .

Professionals, their having a laugh.

There is no real need to be worried. I have no problem with the guys having a few drinks after the game. Its not like a couple of drinks is going to make a difference. In fact it can be quite good at fostering a better team spirit. Most likely the 6 or 7 lads who went out for a couple had 2 or 3 pints to unwind then went to bed ready for camp the next day. One didn’t. The one that didn’t has a terrible disciplinary record, is known to make poor decisions, has admitted to having a substance abuse problem previously and must surely have known he was walking the tightest of tight ropes.

Hocks response simply proves McNamara made the right decision, Hock complains that 6 or 7 also went out, he forgets to mention that means 17/18 didn’t. In Hocks position surely he knew the tight leash he was on, surely he knew that he had been given his umpteenth chance and shouldn’t push his luck. Facts are he can’t accept that he should have been one of the 17/18 squad members being sensible rather than the 6/7 pushing their luck. His dismisses his missing of a conditioning session as unimportant is hardly indicative of a player making every effort to ensure he is physically in as good a shape as possible and his throwing his team-mates under the bus rather than taking personal responsibility for his own actions, his own failings and his own mistakes shows that in his head Gareth Hock was more important than the team.

The Aussies could probably beat England straight after being on the lash .

Did none of Mr Hocks teammates think to get him up, or was he too wrecked to bother going swimming.

We have an amateur set up from top to bottom.

I was identified as 3 in 1998 and went on to generate millions in a 7 year period but I was treated like a dirty little secret......because I understand their bull doesn't mean I subscribe to it!