I cant see Bailey or Ablett figuring for the England Squad, while they are decent players, there are better players for their positions.

Add that to the way Bailey can behave sometimes the risk isnt worth it either.

the risk of riling the opposition isn't worth it?

I think the Aussies are more likely to laugh at him to be honest.

Are we talking about Bailey or the majority of the England team?

Manly players certainly didn't laugh at Bailey at WCC

Manly aint particularly good this year. As for Bailey, I'd have him in the squad, but wouldn't make my 17.

If I was picking Leeds' 17 and everyone was fit, I don't think Bailey would be in there! He's not an international prop in a million years.

I dont think he would be that effective in riling up the Aussies or NZ, I think he would annoy them slightly to the point they would just put a bit more venom in their tackles on him.

They just arent daft enough to get wound up by someone they know they can outplay, thats how they would get their own back on him if you get my meaning, by seeing him on a losing side.

Wind up merchants and dirty players with not Test standard games have been selected for England before, they have had no impact whatsoever.
Does anyone really believe a player like Bailey will worry or intimidate anyone at Test level?
Good players are intimidated by an opposing players ability to beat them at their impact on a game, nothing more or else.
If anyone thinks Bailey is going to intimidate the likes of Gallen and Hargreaves they are dreaming, its all been done and seen in the NRL for decades and does not work against Test level Pros.

Yeah I'm sure players like Gallen, Leroy-Lahrs, Scott, Shillington, Matulino and JWH are going to be intimidated by Bailey

We have a really good pack, not on par with Australias but that's not expected imo and for Bailey to be considered to play for England when we have players like Mossop, Graham, Burgess, Lynch, LMS, Patrick, Crabtree, Mason and even Morley and Peacock still. For Bailey to be even considered is laughable really.

I know Leeds fans like him because he winds the opposition fans up due to him been a thug. But I honestly don't know what he offers Leeds Rhinos on the field.

Leeds fan in woefully inaccurate defence of Bailey shocker.

Leeds fans, along with Brian Noble, Brian Mclennan, Tony Smith, Darryl Powell, Steve Macnamara, Brian Mcdermott. Thats 4 grand final winning coaches and 4 international coaches, who see Baileys value. Unfortunately he hasnt beaten up enough doormen in Hull to be respected by some.

I'm no fan of Lee Radford. That doesn't make Bailey any better than average, however.

I stopped reading after you commented on Baileys 'good defence'. Doesn't count when you're third man in every tackle.