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I dont but into this "tried and tested so they shouldnt get another shot" business. Whats to say said players berent too young or not as good as they are now at the time? Players develop, some keep developing until they are in their 30's. If they are playing well enough NOW, let them have another crack.

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Quote: The Original Red Devils "If Jodie was in a top 4 squad he would be first choice without a doubt he shi!ts on Atkins'"


He was. They released him because he wasn't good enough to get in their side ahead of some good young British outside backs they've got already.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "He was. They released him because he wasn't good enough to get in their side ahead of some good young British outside backs they've got already.'"



He still wouldnt get in either, but he is a very good player... you cant keep them all.

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Quote: Harrigan "He still wouldnt get in either, but he is a very good player... you cant keep them all.'"


If he wouldn't get in to the Leeds side ahead of three England eligible wingers (Jones-Bishop, Hardaker and Hall) then he's probably not going to get into the England side. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Andy Gilder "If he wouldn't get in to the Leeds side ahead of three England eligible wingers (Jones-Bishop, Hardaker and Hall) then he's probably not going to get into the England side.

I agree totally. He's better than the 2nd person mentioned at the moment purely on experience but id take Hall and BJB over him any day. I keep saying of all the players Leeds lost, Gibson is the one i'd still love at Leeds. When he's fit he's one of the best English centres around. Sadly the word when is used a lot. A fit Gibson and Watkins at Leeds would be as good as any around IMO.

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Gibson is quite frankly shi*t. I still disagree Broughton wasn't given much of a chance at his previous clubs granted there must of been a reason for that but I still honestly feel he is better or certainly as good as than Atkins/Hall and would score just as many in a tem like Warrington/Leeds. Just my opinion.

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Quote: A unknown superstar "Watkins would get torn apart out there!
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Watkins development has been hampered by serious injury but the kid is still only 20 years old

I think he has all the attributes to become an absolutely top class centre – he is athletic and skilful which is a combination we don’t often produce in this country... it is usually one or the other

If he is back from injury, I would have him in the England squad this year to get him used to the setup and training with the squad. Whether he plays or not is down to fitness and form

An awful lot can happen in two years but if Watkins plays out a couple of seasons for Leeds I think a 22 year old Watkins, bigger and stronger, would be a great asset in the Rugby League world cup come 2013

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Quote: roughyedspud "i put it to everyone that

1. sam tomkins
2. josh charnley
3. joel tomkins
4. kirk yeaman
5. tom briscoe
6. gareth widdop
7. danny brough

is the most potent 1-7 we could field since the 1994 wembley ashes test'"



would definitley not have that 3 quarter line together. Briscoe is not the best winger, might stick charnley on one wing but centres we have been weak in them for years. heres another thrown in at half back is Jonny Lomax worth a shout been quite good all year?

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Quote: Eye of the viking "would definitley not have that 3 quarter line together. Briscoe is not the best winger, might stick charnley on one wing but centres we have been weak in them for years. heres another thrown in at half back is Jonny Lomax worth a shout been quite good all year?'"

Everybody is entitled to their own opinions but for the life of me I cannot see why anybody would choose Charnley in front of Briscoe for a wing spot

Charnley is not a bad player at all and better than some we have had on the wings for England/GB in recent times but Briscoe is bigger, stronger and faster than Charnley. For me is defensively sounder, able to bring the ball away from his own line and score tries that other wingers wouldn’t come close to either near the line or 90 metres out. Plus, he seems to be have been around forever and still only 21

Lomax, I fully agree with - top class player

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Quote: Dunbar "Everybody is entitled to their own opinions but for the life of me I cannot see why anybody would choose Charnley in front of Briscoe for a wing spot'"


I know, absolute nonsense.

If SL teams are targetting Tomkins/Charnley as a weak link, I dread to think what Australia/NZ would do to them.

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I'm with my fellow Reds fan, regarding Gibson anyway, he's been absolutely terrible this season. We'd have been better signing an actual revolving door, rather than the proverbial. When I see his name on the teamsheet, you just know his side will leak tries.

As for Broughton, going forward, he's better than all those mentioned on this thread. One problem, if he was put in the England side, the Aussie's would destroy him! Danny Williams though, how Hull KR let him slip through their fingers is beyond me, I mentioned this previously, he's already used to defending a broken line and generally makes the right plays, both in attack and defence. With time he should get an England shirt.

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Quote: The Original Red Devils "Gibson is quite frankly shi*t. I still disagree Broughton wasn't given much of a chance at his previous clubs granted there must of been a reason for that but I still honestly feel he is better or certainly as good as than Atkins/Hall and would score just as many in a tem like Warrington/Leeds. Just my opinion.'"


Broughton wasn't full time at Hull & Leeds.. IIRC he wanted to finish his degree and was still working part time.... Salford then offered him a full time professional contract where he has been excellent... One player i wouldn't have minded keeping in all honesty but with the emergence of Tom Briscoe he wasn't such a viable option.. V.Good player though IMHO.

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Quote: Harrigan "So what do we have as far as English 3/4 partnerships go over here?

Briscoe - Yeaman
Charnley - Tomkins
BJB - Watkins
Hall - Ablett
Broughton - Gibson (?)

Who else?

And as far as i'm concerned I'd have Briscoe and Hall on the wings for a certainty with whoever inside them as in all honesty, they are all average on the world stage and pretty similar in the SL. If we had centres that were decent we wouldnt have this thread
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1. S Tomkins
2. T Briscoe
3. Yeaman
4. Reed/ Bishop
5. Charnley
6. Widdop/Lomax
7. Brough

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Quote: FearTheVee "I know, absolute nonsense.

If SL teams are targetting Tomkins/Charnley as a weak link, I dread to think what Australia/NZ would do to them.'"


They're not the weak link, Deacon is. Teams would much rather take on Deacon/Hansen/Tomkins/Charnley than Finch/Hoffman/Carmont/Richards.

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