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| Making his 100th career a-penis today according to the commentary.
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| Quote: Dunbar "I would say that you should feel fine as that is a reasonable stance
However, here is my opinion
I agree that he is allowed to believe anything he likes – we live in a country with freedom of speech and that is a right that we protect. I fully respect his right to have an opinion, it is the actual opinion itself that I find abhorrent'" Me to, can't stand the guy anyway.
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As for the OTT reaction, I read earlier that Cockayne has over a 1,000 friends on Facebook, I wouldn't be surprised if some of those were friends as they are fans of Hull FC and if this is the case then Cockayne and Hull FC should be aware that Cockayne is representing the club he plays for on a social media site
What he wrote is not in a grey area, it was extremely strong racist abuse. If I was in a senior position at Hull FC then he would be dismissed for gross misconduct'"
It is an insult but i do find it interesting that there seems to be hysterical reactions around abuse that has a racist slant to them but even that can be percieved worse with regards to certain races, my guess is that if it was a scotish taxi driver and he was described as a celtic c*** the reaction wouldn't be of the same scale. And if he had said the ginger c*** even less would have been made of it but the guy was calle a c*** in each situation.
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| Quote: gary numan "It is an insult but i do find it interesting that there seems to be hysterical reactions around abuse that has a racist slant to them but even that can be percieved worse with regards to certain races, my guess is that if it was a scotish taxi driver and he was described as a celtic c*** the reaction wouldn't be of the same scale. And if he had said the ginger c*** even less would have been made of it but the guy was calle a c*** in each situation.'"
I agree with your logic on the scale of reaction regarding slurs of race. In fact, somewhere in the deep recesses of this forum there is a thread where I say that it is strange that we are not allowed to comment on the colour of a person’s skin but can remark negatively about somebody having ginger hair (maybe there is some inherent racism in our society and nature abhors a vacuum and all that - although I hope not as I have more faith in society than that)
As it happens, I do feel that the second word in Cockayne’s insult is particularly important as it emphasises the spiteful nature of the first
p.s. I have changed Hull FC to Hull KR in my post – apologies for the mistake
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| Quote: gary numan "My original post was about people that held the opion i shared not that of the game, so how should if feel i'm avoiding responsibilty (your post) ?'"
And as I said, They are avoiding responsibility. Fans are part of the game. To promote avoiding dealing with racist views within the game, they are avoiding the responsibility to the game and not helping the game meet its responsibilities.
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| If he was going to be deregistered by the RFL I agree HKR should sack him. If not some other club will have him signed up within a week and the only people who end up getting punished are HKR, and even worse some other team gets rewarded by being able to sign him.
The other thing is why is ot ok for a team to sign a racist player ie Raynor, yet people feel strongly a team should sack a player if he has been racist?
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "And as I said, They are avoiding responsibility. Fans are part of the game. To promote avoiding dealing with racist views within the game, they are avoiding the responsibility to the game and not helping the game meet its responsibilities.'"
I don't believe all cricketers eat shredded wheat.
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| Quote: Dunbar "I agree with your logic on the scale of reaction regarding slurs of race. In fact, somewhere in the deep recesses of this forum there is a thread where I say that it is strange that we are not allowed to comment on the colour of a person’s skin but can remark negatively about somebody having ginger hair (maybe there is some inherent racism in our society and nature abhors a vacuum and all that - although I hope not as I have more faith in society than that)
As it happens, I do feel that the second word in Cockayne’s insult is particularly important as it emphasises the spiteful nature of the first
p.s. I have changed Hull FC to Hull KR in my post – apologies for the mistake'"
I don't really care what ben cockayne believes about anything, he represents himself, what he thinks is a matter for him and his friends and associates. He doesn't represent Hull k.r or the rugby league. Likewise i din't think Bailey needed to defend himself about his facebook comments. When either are appointed ambassadors of rugby league i will take more interest.
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| Quote: gary numan "He doesn't represent Hull k.r'"
I, on the other hand, think that he does represent Hull KR as do all the players who play for them
The difference between this and Bailey's comments on Facebook is that Bailey's was humour (or some attempt at it) whereas this was just a straight forward horrible racially motivated insult - in my opinion, they are very different
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| Quote: Dunbar "I, on the other hand, think that he does represent Hull KR as do all the players who play for them
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We'll have to disagree on that one, he plays for Hull k.r he's not there as a standard bearer fo K.R's Moral, religous, philosophical views or politics.
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| Quote: gary numan "We'll have to disagree on that one, he plays for Hull k.r he's not there as a standard bearer fo K.R's Moral, religous, philosophical views or politics.'"
As a player for Hull KR I think Dunbar is right to say Cockayne "represents" them.
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| Quote: PHIPPS "As a player for Hull KR I think Dunbar is right to say Cockayne "represents" them.'"
So if K.R have a player with Muslim beliefs that that is a refection of K.R's beliefs?
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| Quote: gary numan "So if K.R have a player with Muslim beliefs that that is a refection of K.R's beliefs?'"
His beliefs are his own and he has a right to hold any, as do we all – it is when these beliefs manifest themselves as racial hatred expressed in the public domain that it becomes an issue
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| Quote: gary numan "So if K.R have a player with Muslim beliefs that that is a refection of K.R's beliefs?'"
I think you possibly misunderstand the context in which 'represent' is used in this case.
It's meant in the same way that a police constable represents the police service or in the way that a soldier represents the army.
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| Lucky not to be sent off for a late, high, malicious tackle on Obst during the build up to the last try.
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| Quote: Dunbar "His beliefs are his own and he has a right to hold any, as do we all – it is when these beliefs manifest themselves as racial hatred expressed in the public domain that it becomes an issue'"
Not for me it isn't. It's his opinion not rugby leagues not Hull k.r's. Presumably you wouldn't have a problem with expressing a racial harmony view, it's just the oposite view on a subject. Nasty spitefull i agree and i disagree with him but i'll defend his right to say what he likes.
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