Botica was even better - does that make him a better player than Scully?

We're talking about all-round. Bottica had nothing on either of these two in terms of defence, for instance.

You were the one picking out specifics. I was just highlighting the error in your train of thought

before todays match against hull fc, i thought warrington were up there with wigan, but against a depleted fc team, without a recognised 6 & 7 for 3/4 of the game, a scoreline that flattered them in the end shows how far wigan are ahead of everyone else

Or how Hull really aren't that brilliant.

What a load of absolute tosh. Wigan aren't much better than anyone. They are no better than several sides in Super League and are not concrete odds on favourites for Super League as people are making out.

Poor attempt. 1/10.

next few weeks could have come at the correct time for us, we need to rest up and get some of the players fit, roberts is going to be a big miss for us.

Wigan are currently playing very well and it looks like Michael Maguire is not the kind of coach to let the team ease off - having said that, I can't see them as favourites a this stage

For me, there are four teams capable of winning Super League this year based on star players, coaching pedigree and strength of squad - in order on the league table, they are Wigan, Warrington, Saints and Leeds

Leeds are leaving themselves with a lot to do in the table to have a home run in the play-off's but they are still a massive threat on their day

If I had to put some favourites into the mix today I would say...

1st Saints
2nd Wigan / Warrington
3rd Leeds

Why? You really think you are 'much better (Note, not playing better, but overall a much better side) than the likes of Saints, Leeds, Warrington, Huddersfield, Hull KR and Hull? Would you also have Wigan down as odds on favourites for Super League this season? Massive call if you would as there is no recent trophy or even big game winning history to base that on.

IMO any of those sides has as much of a claim to a trophy this season as Wigan. You have come up with some impressive early season form, but no trophies are handed out for months yet.

Saints fans are quite happy to say that when they are below wigan but if you were above it would be a difference story.

We are quite aware that trophies are not given out yet, but surely being top of the league after 10 games is better than not being top of the league.

We are looking good for a top 2 finish, for the last 3 years the top two have contested the GF, thats ok with me.

We are playing better rugby than all the teams you mention. We also have an injury crisis and we are dealing with it.

Your showing yourself up

I really don't see how you can put saints above wigan from this years form!

One bad half of rugby is all we have done wrong.