But it's about 160 miles from Warrington which is probably about the nearest other club to it.

Think its about 30 miles from Warrington to Wrexham

Pfff - Belle Vue is and has always been 'pending redevelopment' but you don't see Wakey closing parts of it...

But then why were they based in the South in the first place then?

The effort in South Wales by the people in charge was nothing short of pitiful.

The marketing campaign for this game up at Wrexham was never seen in the 4 years the club was down here. Wrexham have managed in one game what Crusaders set up under Leighton Samuel could not achieve in 4 seasons. He tried to do it on the cheap and failed. South Wales would still be the best place for a club, just it would need to be in Cardiff and with people who actually want to do the whole thing properly.

Just to add I think considering the league position, 2 wins at home all season and the ridiculously bad way the club performed from things like ticketing to merchandise (there was nothing available for around a third of the season) I think our average home crowd and the enthusiasm shown by the fans as far from bad.

I said half way through last season that the thing that would wind me up the most is people will write it off as a failure not knowing that virtually everything was done on the cheap and half hearted. If this Wrexham set up was down in South Wales last season then we would still be there now. Sadly they were not.

So by your definition if those that are already RL fans won't switch to Crusaders then the move to Wrexham will introduce some 6 - 7k to RL. Just out of interest what is your view if Crusaders get a 9k crowd on Friday?

Not sure who you support but would be interested to see whether your team have made such an achievement?

He's a WUM, don't feed him!

I know but I always feel sorry for those less fortunate than the rest of us and in his case the least fortunate

But isn't that the RL way , all us so called flatcappers want is for expansion to be done properly , and that costs , by the sound of it the mob up at Wrexham understand what they need to do

So why dont the RFL understand what they need to do ?

A gradual geographical expansion is how many of us heartland fans suggested it should be done

I sincierly hope it works out , but my main concern is that the South Wales club now gets support to survive and prosper , they have the player base , they must be encouraged to use it

South Wales would have worked had the money been available to put into the club for 3 years or more I am confident of that.

There were players showing potential after less than a season with an academy. That shows the untapped potential down here. The venture down here now needs to build slowly both on and off the field and make sure they only take steps which they are willing, ready and able to take. You never know, in the meantime a bloke or collection of people may come forward with a wedge of cash and promise to back the club but let's get the money up front this time before taking a chance. It can and I feel will work down here in South Wales.

All I am saying is don't let a half assed attempt with a skeleton staff off the field and NL1 standard players in the main on the field fool you into thinking rugby league has no future down here.

Leave Leigh out of this.

Too slow , as usual