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| Quote: RobRiches "I’ve said the exact same thing on these forums for the last 10 years.
Usually Wakefield or Leigh fans that disagreed with me but Wakefield will probably have changed their tune now they have a bit of cash.
If Wigans billionaire owner wants to splash his cash he should be allowed to. He shouldn’t be held back because wasters like Leigh. Hull fc and Salford might get upset'"
If Huddersfield were successful, they may get 5000 fans. If Hull are , stick 10k on that figure and Leigh have been a breath of fresh air, winning The Challenge Cup. I think your club's current plight is testament to the fact that you can spend hugely on players, but that is not going to win you trophies, until your club culture and coaching can match the ambition,
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| I see I'm a bit late to this conversation, but scrapping the cap WILL increase the gaps between Teams. There are some that can't even afford the full cap.
I was told that Featherstone were top spenders last season in the Championship but could only spent about £1m in salaries which is ridiculous.
The NFL is a perfect example of the salary cap working. All of those Teams can afford the $255m cap spend, but they still have to make the right decisions about players and coaches. Wigan have just made the best decisions so far, with Warrington, Hull KR, Saints, even Hull FC and probably some others still having the financial means to compete. They just haven't made better decisions on personnel compared to Wigan.
There are already 3 major dispensations for clubs to be able to spend over the £2.1m cap.
On a personal note, as a Wire fan, I'd love to win the Grand Final, but purely on merit. It would be great to spend above and beyond the cap to bring in world class talent and even take away the best from teams lower down the table. But if we won the GF, people would say that we bought the league, and I don't want that. If we do actually win the GF, I don't want anyone to be able to question it. Same for any other Team that can break the 4-club cycle.
We need all clubs in the English system to actually be able to spend £2.1m first. It's on them to make the right decisions, and then we increase it over time. But that only happens when the Sport grows, which I'm still waiting on IMG to sort out.
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| If you lose the cap you've got to ban Director's loans. Falling out with folk and immediately asking for their loan to be repaid has caused financial crashes many times in the past.
If a Director puts money in...it has to stay in.
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| Quote: GrahamBray "If Huddersfield were successful, they may get 5000 fans. If Hull are , stick 10k on that figure and Leigh have been a breath of fresh air, winning The Challenge Cup. I think your club's current plight is testament to the fact that you can spend hugely on players, but that is not going to win you trophies, until your club culture and coaching can match the ambition,
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That literally had nothing to do with the post of mine you quoted ????
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| Quote: bobm "If you lose the cap you've got to ban Director's loans. Falling out with folk and immediately asking for their loan to be repaid has caused financial crashes many times in the past.
If a Director puts money in...it has to stay in.'"
Well said. I’ve said for 10 years if an owner wants to put money in they should follow the football league protocols. It can’t go in as a loan, it goes in and a donation within the profit and loss account
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| Quote: KineticRL "I see I'm a bit late to this conversation, but scrapping the cap WILL increase the gaps between Teams. There are some that can't even afford the full cap.
I was told that Featherstone were top spenders last season in the Championship but could only spent about £1m in salaries which is ridiculous.
The NFL is a perfect example of the salary cap working. All of those Teams can afford the $255m cap spend, but they still have to make the right decisions about players and coaches. Wigan have just made the best decisions so far, with Warrington, Hull KR, Saints, even Hull FC and probably some others still having the financial means to compete. They just haven't made better decisions on personnel compared to Wigan.
There are already 3 major dispensations for clubs to be able to spend over the £2.1m cap.
On a personal note, as a Wire fan, I'd love to win the Grand Final, but purely on merit. It would be great to spend above and beyond the cap to bring in world class talent and even take away the best from teams lower down the table. But if we won the GF, people would say that we bought the league, and I don't want that. If we do actually win the GF, I don't want anyone to be able to question it. Same for any other Team that can break the 4-club cycle.
We need all clubs in the English system to actually be able to spend £2.1m first. It's on them to make the right decisions, and then we increase it over time. But that only happens when the Sport grows, which I'm still waiting on IMG to sort out.'"
You want the likes of Castleford and London to hold back the Super League and to continue trying to make it a level playing field?
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| I don't feel having a salary cap is the problem, it can be raised or changed, rules added like franchise player tags etc to allow better spending on stars.
I feel the Superleague should become a closed league, remove traditional promotion/relegation. SL 1 and SL 2 use the grading system to move teams between if needed. This would allow teams to spend time rebuilding without the fear of being relegated, when even if relegated they will be too good for the level below etc
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| Quote: nathan_rugby "You want the likes of Castleford and London to hold back the Super League and to continue trying to make it a level playing field?'"
I don't think either of them are holding Super League back. I just everyone to be able to afford the full cap for a start.
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| perhaps a first step in the process would be a compulsory full cap spend as a condition of competing in Super League?... I assume its part of the grade A criteria?
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| Quote: Spookisback "perhaps a first step in the process would be a compulsory full cap spend as a condition of competing in Super League?... I assume its part of the grade A criteria?'"
The first step should be a salary cap based on a percentage of turnover to stop wasters like Salford, Leigh and Wakefield holding the rest of SL back
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| Quote: KineticRL "I don't think either of them are holding Super League back. I just everyone to be able to afford the full cap for a start.'"
What are you expecting to happen for suddenly teams like London, Castleford, Wakefield, Salford etc so be able to start spending up to the full cap?
That by very definition is holding back the sport because there are a number of teams who spend the full cap and could spend more.
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| Quote: Spookisback "perhaps a first step in the process would be a compulsory full cap spend as a condition of competing in Super League?... I assume its part of the grade A criteria?'"
You must be joking, how can you enforce a club spends up to the maximum amount?
Think about how that would work in reality? Bizzare statement.
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| Quote: FandeDracs "I don't feel having a salary cap is the problem, it can be raised or changed, rules added like franchise player tags etc to allow better spending on stars.
I feel the Superleague should become a closed league, remove traditional promotion/relegation. SL 1 and SL 2 use the grading system to move teams between if needed. This would allow teams to spend time rebuilding without the fear of being relegated, when even if relegated they will be too good for the level below etc'"
You sound like a poster i used to know on here.
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| The salary cap as an idea was ok - as long as it was set up with a salary floor (maybe 90%) to keep the clubs at a competitive level. And, it needed to increase. Every year would be too much and too confusing. I would have said it needed to increase in line with every new broad cast deal. So every 3-5years it would have jumped 10-30%. But this needed to have been written into the SL articles so clubs couldn't challenge it. And it needed to have started from the beginning. There's no point now.
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| Quote: RobRiches "The first step should be a salary cap based on a percentage of turnover to stop wasters like Salford, Leigh and Wakefield holding the rest of SL back'"
You mean the same Wakefield who are not in SL?. Or do you mean Leigh and Salford who are up there playing for a top 6 spot.
Maybe you should look further down the table for teams to have a pop at, instead of your, and your past usernames constant bashing of the 3 above mentioned teams.
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