How many clubs have been better off when Noble departed than when he arrived?

Wigan.


That's about it.

2020 Toronto finish bottom, get relegated and it’s all over. Alternatively SL is expanded to 14 clubs and they survive.

The only ESL news in Australia this year is about SBW or Folau.
If it wasn't for regular stories about them, the ESL would be invisable.

Exactly, love or hate them, they have brought exposure to the Super league of the like it hasn't seen before.

But where are those new audiences ? Like Catalans this is heading one way the only new fans are within a small geographical area, any media growth of the game is non existent as there isn’t a French or Canadian TV deal.

The purpose of relegating the 11th placed team (sounds ridiculous even now) and ring fencing Catalans was to get a competitive French National team which has failed !!! All we have is a team in a small region of France not a French team competing with England, Australia and NZ which might have done the international game and the next World Cup some good.Now that might attract new fans.

In reality apart from having owners with a few bob the teams could be in Featherstone, London or Leigh and make no less impact.

As for SBW and Folau ones in it for a massive amount of cash, the other cos no one else will have him, yeah fans are gonna switch from union or ice hockey in their droves. For better or worse the UK is an island of which England is a part and that’s where the teams should come from cos European/Transatlantic superleague sounds totally daft...

Is it positive news about either or is it they can't believe anyone is paying SBW £2.5m/yr and that someone has employed Folau.



Even the NFL have found other ways to dip their foot in the water and are reluctant to set up a team in foreign lands even with an almost guaranteed audience.

The ESL / RFL / SL just never seem to understand how to grow and expand. The way to do it is to have the best domestic product possible and get people interested at grass roots / school level. Just artificially moving a club (or creating) a club in a place where no one has heard of the game, importing all the players and then playing 63% of the games in another country in my mind isn't the way to do it.

Yes great exposure of greed and hatred

Yes of course you grow from a base that is solid like the M62.

You don't grow plonking 20 players in the middle of Canada. You might grow if you professionalise a club in the south or France, at least we thought, but they have less French quality players than when they started and have lost their TV deal. The attempts to "expand" beyond the M62 are of course stifled by there being no market for it. The people there who like "football" type games are entrenched in Soccer and Rugby Union, just as America is entrenched in Grid-iron, soccer and rugby union.

How absurd to believe their is any room for growth for a fourth version of "football" in North America

But they believe it in the RL press, they believe it at the RFL meanwhile in the real world of Superleague the chairmen try to get on with keeping the game alive, by making the best of it here, so I respectfully suggest you delete "SL" from your post accusing them of not understanding growth and expansion. They didn't want Catalans or Toronto.

2022 they will own the professional game lock stock and barrel, and all attention will be on as you say "having the best product available"

Plenty of sense in this International RL was always the way forward to get good visibility. The test series with Australia on terrestrial TV is the perfect example of a window of opportunity for this and should be what’s on offer for our best homegrown talent.

Instead of a trial game against Toronto in the USA, let’s pit say two Lancashire teams and two Yorkshire teams against them and there would be plenty of time to arrange and sell those games and the fans will turn out to see their team play Australia and a lot of neutrals like me would try to take in at least one of those games.

Put them on the telly too as in essence it would be like a Lions tour in reverse I’m sure SKY would take them even if the Beeb don’t.

Keep it on topic about Noble!!

Donny hasn't got his facts skewed again has he

Back to Noble, I wonder where he will end up ?

I suspect you may be correct.

Hardly a loss for Toronto is it

Keep it about the topic or it's gone!