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Quote: wrencat1873 "Just one word for McDermott and TWP , unlucky.
Who do they think they are ??

Should we change the cap rules everytime a club gets promoted from the Championship.

It's worrying that their squad from last season is so expensive and that they are committed to the same (just about) group of players.
As other posters have suggested, they seem to be stuffed for going with such an expensive squad last season, who appear on the face of it to have been massively overpaid.'"

Indeed, very dangerous precedents could be set.

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Quote: notorious "He’s not the main issue though is he? Or Leutele as they are marquee players. It’s the £100k contracts handed out to mediocre Superleague players. O’Brien had his salary doubled when he signed from Salford for example.'"


Well whose to blame for that?

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Quote: notorious "He’s not the main issue though is he? Or Leutele as they are marquee players. It’s the £100k contracts handed out to mediocre Superleague players. O’Brien had his salary doubled when he signed from Salford for example.'"


Correct, SBW and Luetele will obviously count for their £150k per year, but nothing more than that. They are overpaying average players, which is always the case when you have a club in the championship / bottom of SL trying to spend big to sign the best - players want to be paid more to play for lower placed clubs.

I think the complaint is that players have to house themselves in Toronto, as well as pay for a house back home in the UK as the families aren't going to move to Toronto full time given the players are in the UK more than half the time anyway. I understand the argument, but it will be a tough one to get the SL chairmen to agree on. When Catalan play games in the UK I presume the cost of housing them in hotels will be classed as an operating expense and not a perk. The RFL obviously classify the Toronto situation differently as they will be living there for a number of weeks and it is there home patch.

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Quote: nottinghamtiger "McDermott's argument would make sense, if it wasn't for the fact that they are spending massive money on individual players.
It's like that one friend that everyone has who claims to be destitute, but spends their life flying to exotic private islands and shopping in Waitrose.'"

That's a long way to travel just to pop into Waitrose for a few provisions. Some friend indeed if they cry poverty!

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Quote: Alffi_7 "Correct, SBW and Luetele will obviously count for their £150k per year, but nothing more than that. They are overpaying average players, which is always the case when you have a club in the championship / bottom of SL trying to spend big to sign the best - players want to be paid more to play for lower placed clubs.

I think the complaint is that players have to house themselves in Toronto, as well as pay for a house back home in the UK as the families aren't going to move to Toronto full time given the players are in the UK more than half the time anyway. I understand the argument, but it will be a tough one to get the SL chairmen to agree on. When Catalan play games in the UK I presume the cost of housing them in hotels will be classed as an operating expense and not a perk. The RFL obviously classify the Toronto situation differently as they will be living there for a number of weeks and it is there home patch.'"


And we all thought that Toronto was the dream destination for RL players icon_surprised.gifops:

On the subject of "non playing" costs. It must cost them a small fortune to come accross to Europe, even if this is in 2 game blocks.
However, I'm sure that this was fully thought through before they began chasing the SL dream and there is extra cost for the existing SL clubs (going in the other direction) - not exactly ideal when most SL clubs are barely keeping their heads above water.
And there are some who believe that SL should include 4/5 such clubs, along with 2 French sides icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Alffi_7 "Correct, SBW and Luetele will obviously count for their £150k per year, but nothing more than that. They are overpaying average players, which is always the case when you have a club in the championship / bottom of SL trying to spend big to sign the best - players want to be paid more to play for lower placed clubs.

I think the complaint is that players have to house themselves in Toronto, as well as pay for a house back home in the UK as the families aren't going to move to Toronto full time given the players are in the UK more than half the time anyway. I understand the argument, but it will be a tough one to get the SL chairmen to agree on. When Catalan play games in the UK I presume the cost of housing them in hotels will be classed as an operating expense and not a perk. The RFL obviously classify the Toronto situation differently as they will be living there for a number of weeks and it is there home patch.'"

Yep. And there is kind of a precedent with a London allowance being present in the salary cap rules. So maybe something similar could be afforded overseas clubs too.
I believe the London Allowance is 10%.

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Quote: Him "Yep. And there is kind of a precedent with a London allowance being present in the salary cap rules. So maybe something similar could be afforded overseas clubs too.
I believe the London Allowance is 10%.'"


Catalan were around 25% to the good with their "preferential" exchange rate.
Mind you, in order to spend "extra", the overseas clubs still need to generate the cash in the first place.

Does anyone know how big the season on season "hole" is at Toronto £3 million ??

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Catalan were around 25% to the good with their "preferential" exchange rate.
Mind you, in order to spend "extra", the overseas clubs still need to generate the cash in the first place.

Does anyone know how big the season on season "hole" is at Toronto £3 million ??'"

The exchange rate is swings and roundabouts. If the value of the pound increases vs the Euro after its next set for Catalans they’ll obviously struggle.

If we have a London Allowance in recognition of significantly higher costs for 1 team that is effectively out of their control I don’t see why Toronto or Catalans shouldn’t get some kind of allowance either.

Or do away with the London Allowance too. Either we recognise specific circumstances or we don’t.

I also think people are massively overreacting to McDermotts comments. If they’re the ones I’ve seen I don’t see a whinge. Merely a statement of where they are.

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That is hilarious. Coming from a guy who ran to the press to moan about his own players when they got mullered by Warrington. You couldn’t make it up

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Lol. What a pillock. Why is he so worked up by it? icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Him "Lol. What a pillock. Why is he so worked up by it?
There is only one reason In the human psyche that you would get wound up...Jealousy

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Quote: Steph Curry "There is only one reason In the human psyche that you would get wound up...Jealousy'"

Come on Walt, you really are on form for showing yourself up tonight.

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Quote: Nothus "This is going to be more of a recurring issue so long as the championship continues to become more and more competitive at the top of the table.
I have no idea how much the likes of Leigh, Toulouse, London and Featherstone are spending at the minute but the more and more they push each other, the higher their wage bill will rise and when they get promoted they will find themselves with less and less room to maneuver under the cap.

In Toronto's case they just went all out last season and clearly spent big to make sure they got promoted. And now they're stuck with the same players and no room on the cap.'"


I'm sure your right TWP broke their necks as well as the bank to get promotion to SL. If Superleague don't want them which they don't, then it appears Argylle is going to make it very hard for Superleague when they eventually get rid of TWP first chance being the new TV deal. No TWP inclusion will reflect badly on Superleague because most people still think they are "growth" and will accuse SL of being parochial.

It is still hard to believe that TWP left themselves so badly short on numbers though, they may be architects of their own downfall this year. I assume that they may have banked on loans? I assume few players will go out on loan seem as how all the English clubs have to run reserves now. I almost think that the Reserves league was rushed in to keep as many players here as possible!

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Quote: Kennedy "I think Toronto should be awarded 10 league points this week, then McDermott might stop begging/whinging.'"


Dont know what the opposite of parachute payment is but, it would come under that category. icon_biggrin.gif

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