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Considering channel 4 is a commercially-funded network they can show what they want. The idea that they should be supporting UK sport over Irish is ridiculous. Anyone who thinks they should be supporting the Championship over Irish international games over some loyalty to the UK is crazy. The network is a business that needs to make money and is not a charity.

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: financialtimes "[sizeI asked the question[/size[size as I genuinely didn't know (or care[/size really as it's RU and I have no interest in that game) a little time on Google has clarified what you and and a couple of other posters have said, and although yes the IRFU represents all the provinces of the island of Ireland, the international game is quite clearly an Eire product hence their current deal with RTE, but I accept that they do represent Northern Ireland
No...you're fishing!
If you have no interest, then why ask?

Great move by the IRFU. In 2013, the Ireland v All Blacks game on the Sunday drew a larger TV audience than the day's prior Epic RLWC semi-final between England and the Kiwis and they must genuinely believe that whatever they have paid for this (and the European club rugby comp) they will get back in advertising revenues...........and as other have said, instead of faux outrage, we should be asking why we are not pressing hard for more FTA coverage.

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Quote: ricardo07 "Just announced that they are showing live the autumn RU internationals for which country......IRELAND.

Can't the powers that be make some protest. They should be supporting British sport as that is the country in which they earn their revenue.

Why can't they be persuaded to broadcast our own Rugby League Championship rather covering a foreign team.

Over to you Brian Barwick, earn your money, please.'"


This is a nonsense. C4 should be broadcasting what is best for C4. Whether thats the Irish Rugby Union side or a bunch of guys running around in outer Mongolia.

The idea that they are duty bound to broadcast something 'British' is absurd.

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: puroresu_boy "The idea that they are duty bound to broadcast something 'British' is absurd.'"

Indeed......their biggest program of the week August 21-28th was the Belgium GP.......sooner we leave the EU the better icon_lol.gif

EDIT: Is this a cunning plan by World Rugby to strangle the Dublin Blues at birth icon_cool.gif

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Quote: ThePrinter "What kind of viewing figures do you think a Championship game would get on Channel 4 compared to a RU international?'"

What kind of viewing figures do you think a Championship RL game would get on sky compared to a Championship RU game?

Why do sky show Championship RU but not Championship RL, even though they have the tv rights.

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[quote:18jc6kzm]I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote="Jamie Jones-Buchanan":18jc6kzm]"I'd never forgive myself if a child of mine was born in Lancashire.[/quote:18jc6kzm]:1506.jpg



Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "What kind of viewing figures do you think a Championship RL game would get on sky compared to a Championship RU game?

Why do sky show Championship RU but not Championship RL, even though they have the tv rights.'"


I'd suggest that it's largely down to them knowing how many subscriptions may depend on RU content.

Sky are probably only interested in the England internationals, but they'll invariably question whether that delivers enough value to RU supporters on its own for them to justify their subscriptions. They have no Premiership, no Pro 14 - things like Super Rugby, Top 14 and Championship RU gives them relatively cheap content to keep the RU fans happy until the Autumn Internationals come around.

And let's not forget the audience that RU will tend to pull in. 150,000 people (I don't know what the real figure is) watching Ealing vs Yorkshire is probably worth a lot more to them than 150,000 watching Batley v Dewsbury.

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: bramleyrhino "I'd suggest that it's largely down to them knowing how many subscriptions may depend on RU content.'"

I'd go further saying that SKY tv know exactly what it pays them to show and no amount of teeth gnashing from north of watford will impact on their share prices.
If RL was such a valuable asset, we'd having TV execs kicking down doors....instead we had a take it or leave deal offered.......there was no option to negotiate, because are 100% reliant on SKY........the only way to change that is to demand FTA games in the next deal.....or take a huge cut and sell the entire comp to someone like C4 and hope to god the clubs can fill the stadiums.

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Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "What kind of viewing figures do you think a Championship RL game would get on sky compared to a Championship RU game?

Why do sky show Championship RU but not Championship RL, even though they have the tv rights.'"


I would guess because sky do not have any rights for the rugby union premiership. Rights for the rugby union Championship are cheap and it's gives them content to fill time slots.

Yes I also agree they should be showing the rugby league championship. Pointless holding the rights and only showing the Blackpool Weekender.

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: kobashi "Yes I also agree they should be showing the rugby league championship. Pointless holding the rights and only showing the Blackpool Weekender.'"

1, Holding the rights prevents anyone else from showing it. Next time out we need to separate the rights and offer them as 2 entities with conditions attached to both.....

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I had cause to look recently at the viewing figures for Championship RL (because my team, Widnes Vikings, seem intent on rejoining that division) from the last time it was shown on Sky in 2011.

I can tell you that, for the six weeks or so I looked at Super League averaged 147,667 and the Championship 68,166, so, roughly speaking, half of the SL figure. So Championship provided approx. on third of viewers and gets, what, an eighth of what Super League gets? Also SL was always on SS1 while Championship was always on a minor channel.

In my view the Championship needs its own mouthpiece organisation (like SLE) and should have its TV rights negotiated separately.

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Quote: joultram "I had cause to look recently at the viewing figures for Championship RL (because my team, Widnes Vikings, seem intent on rejoining that division) from the last time it was shown on Sky in 2011.

I can tell you that, for the six weeks or so I looked at Super League averaged 147,667 and the Championship 68,166, so, roughly speaking, half of the SL figure. So Championship provided approx. on third of viewers and gets, what, an eighth of what Super League gets? Also SL was always on SS1 while Championship was always on a minor channel.

In my view the Championship needs its own mouthpiece organisation (like SLE) and should have its TV rights negotiated separately.'"


We will never know how many followers of each league watch the other? You might expect the that the 68,000 Championship viewers aren't wholly Championship team supporters and if they are supplemented by say 20-30,000 SL viewers that will impact on any split deal

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You’d have thought 60,000 to 70,000 viewers would justify sky showing a game a week, surprised they don’t see it as worthwhile.

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Quote: joultram "I had cause to look recently at the viewing figures for Championship RL (because my team, Widnes Vikings, seem intent on rejoining that division) from the last time it was shown on Sky in 2011.

I can tell you that, for the six weeks or so I looked at Super League averaged 147,667 and the Championship 68,166, so, roughly speaking, half of the SL figure. So Championship provided approx. on third of viewers and gets, what, an eighth of what Super League gets? Also SL was always on SS1 while Championship was always on a minor channel.

In my view the Championship needs its own mouthpiece organisation (like SLE) and should have its TV rights negotiated separately.'"


Who would buy the rights to the championship? Any broadcaster would rather sell adverts to an audience of 100, ergo rugby unions fans than to an audience of 1000 fans, ergo rugby league fans who have no money (except toyboy29 who owns a jag of course)

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If you have no interest, then why ask?'"


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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: financialtimes "Nope you're wrong, not for the first time and most definitely the last. Whatever flicks your switch old bean, but your faux "it's union so I now nothing" shows are just an idiot trying to look cool in front of the other kids and failing because Union has another FTA deal which makes you uneasy....poor soul....
...could I suggest that next time you pretend not to know something you use Google...it'll stop you looking daft! icon_mrgreen.gif

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