How much do they pay in rent?
How does this compare to other clubs who rent their stadiums?
Sale Rugby Union use the ground and I believe they manage to get half decent crowds.

I don't think the rent itself is the issue so much, its the fact that all match day revenue from everything except match tickets goes to the stadium not the club, i think if they had the income from food /drink/ parking etr then the rent would be reasonable/ high but reasonable. plus off course poor crowds. but any club running on less that 8k average are struggling without sky money and a sugar daddy.
Seriously by now every club in super league should be on 10k +_ average, and the really big ones Wigan Leeds Hull saints etr should be pushing 20k only Leeds have been pulling in over 15k average pretty much for the last 20 years.

Neil Hudgell stated we needed 10k to be sustainable 5+ years ago. At best we platued at about 8k. Relegation and on field performance hasn't helped so the average at the moment feels about 7k. Getting an average of 10k for us is a bit of a push at the mo but we can do it on occasions. However that needs big away support from Hull, Leeds etc to bolster it. Wakey generally bring quite a number as well.

Those calling for Tolouse and Toronto in SL will actually REDUCE gates, not increase them, especially for generally middle teams like us.

But if done correctly it would mean bigger international TV deals, meaning more TV money for all. But of course the sports track record on that isnt great and I believe French TV only pay a peppercorn fee for the Catalans games so far.

One of the biggest failures of the old franchising system was that it measured crowds as an "average attendance" figure, when in reality it should have been a "ticket revenue" figure.

The old system encouraged the wrong behaviour - mass-discounting of tickets across the board that under-sold the sport. It meant that clubs were serving higher crowds (and incurring higher costs to service those crowds) but taking a huge hit on their profit margin in the process. When the hit the fan, like it did at Bradford, the club couldn't recoup that lost margin from other revenue sources and it became harder to increase the margin on tickets because they'd valued the product so low.

Instead of a 10k average, what really should have been in place was a "over £x million in ticket revenue" target.

For argument sake, a target of £1.8m in ticket sales (just throwing a figure out there) would work out at something like 6,600 season tickets at an average of £180, and 3,300 walk-ups every week at an average of £15. I think that would have been a much better measure.

I'm sure you felt the same when your team was in a worse state but again didn't go down? It's all well and good giving sage advise from afar but the hard-core Salford fans again seem to have pain coming their way? Some solid information in next year's structure is needed but the way it looks is that as soon as Salford are safely in the 8 then a few will be sold?

The big difference is HullFC have always had the fanbase, yes we were on hard times, yes we got bailed out...but the fanbase was always there, some had lapsed due to the poor rugby and the poor Boulevard facilities, but they were still keeping one eye on what the club was doing and could easily be tempted back.

Salford have never had big crowds, it doesn't matter if they inherit an NRL sides worth of top talent and go and win SL unbeaten, the public aren't interested.

10,000 tickets a game at £20 a pop x 11 games is £2,200,000...add the SKY money and you have a £4,000,000 turn over, which I believe Hudgel at HKR said was the break even figure. The £20 a ticket is an average of Season tickets and more expensive walk ups.......Leeds, Wigan, Saints, Hull FC and Wire are the successful clubs by this measure with these 5 occupying the top 6 spots on a regular basis.......HKR, Castleford and Catalans aren't far away, but the other 4 clubs are nowhere near where they need to be and as such they are propped up by a minimum investment of £1,000,000 from benefactors......we're about to see what happens when a benefactor walks away as I suspect Salford are destined for the Championship or worse.....without Beaumont, Hughes, Davy, O'Connor, Argyle, Carter, Marwan et al, these "smaller clubs" wouldn't exist as a viable professional entity.....that's the flawed model.......it's fine so long as they continue, but when Hughes wavered at the end of 2013 he essentially condemned London to relegation.....what will happen to Huddersfield if Davy stopped bankrolling them?

They will struggle to make it to the end of the season without entering administration IMO, will MK step back in and bankroll them once again at that point? Or has that shipped sailed once and for all?

He would be silly to get involved again, As soon as he took the club over It was only going to go one way for me and that has proved to be the case in the end.

Best go into admin now and lose points rather than in the qualifiers and get relegated. If they can refinance now, then prepare for 7 massive games they stand a chance of staying up.

What's the actual insolvency procedure once we get to the split? IIRC, weren't York allowed to complete their fixtures, but barred from promotion a couple of years back?

Not a Leigh then ? A Leigh who most likely brought more revenue through travelling fans, ticket sales & bar/food sales to most Clubs & their local hostelries than many 'established' & top half SL Clubs.

Ask your directors if they prefer the Leigh revenue to the non existent TW or TO13 revenue ? & don't even start on TV deals & multi-million £ global sponsors of which currently there are none !

its laughable to compare Salford to Hull, like comparing Arsenal to Stoke city, Liverpool to Burnley. Salford have never been a big club, had a bit ov a run in the early 70's but that's it.