Haven’t you heard? It’s only Saints fans who are allowed to be optimistic about their prospects this season

Not necessarily on this forum but trust me there’s people, Wire fans and non-Wire fans who think they will.

It was a good opening 15-20 mins, since then it's been petty, niggly, poor disciplined and scrappy.

Not as bad as a clown who says a team can't win a match that takes place in August/October because of a 20 minute period they played in May.

Rewatch Saints performance vs Leeds and that's why they won't win the Cup or GF.

Dixon what a clown.

why no red for the neck throw?
Warrington going to win now.

No problem with the red, but either Goodwin or Livett should have had a yellow in that incident.

Nonsense that, throws one punch to the face, red card but nothing for throwing him to the ground. Game ruined.

Coached by Rowley, check
Play some decent rugby, check
Throw it away by being absolute grubs, check

I think Livett stuck his fingers in the face of Dixon and then Goodwin grabs him roun d the neck, how the feck Thaler doesn't bin either or even both is laughable.

It’s a shame Toronto are down to 12, they were playing some great expansive rugby.

Hand that one to the bbc producer. The replays which Thaler based his call on started after the PTB. The PTB suggested Livett began the squabble, but it didn’t get shown.

Like I said, it was a red - stupid punch - but should have been a yellow for Wire too.

Anyway, probably just increases the size of Wire’s win rather than changes the result. Toronto can’t maintain the standard they showed in the first 20 minutes. Wire will win by 18+.

Have zero problem with Goodwin, he's just st pulling apart fighting players. If Dixon hadn't thrown a punch I'd imagine both he and Livett would've seen yellow just to try cool things down.

For me Dixon red, Livett yellow.

Feel for Thaler, he really hasn't been left much choice throughout that whole half and has handled it as well as you probably could.

Danny Tickle given a red card for Hull KR today and John Bateman sent to the sin bin.
You could probably make a half decent team out of all the players who are gonna be sat at disciplinary this week.

Sorry, should have said 28+.