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Quote: hooligan27 "The issue is the fact the rest of the championship are not getting a penny for it. Why should PS be allowed to rock up at the shay, leigh sports village, post office road and show torronto v Fax, leigh , F*V without paying a premium when this is likely to affect ticket sales.

Why are premier allowed to show Toronto and not the rest of the championship. Sky bought the rights for the championship so why are Torronto allowed to sell there rights to PS. The chmpioship rules are there all clubs should stick by them'"


Another way of putting it is why would a TV company be prepared to pay for Toronto's games, but aren't interested in paying for other clubs' games?

Or, to be more controversial, why should clubs which have no attraction to TV companies get to block, or sponge off, a deal made with a club which does?

There are some lessons in this, but I think some club chairmen don't want to hear those lessons.

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Quote: hooligan27 "The issue is the fact the rest of the championship are not getting a penny for it. Why should PS be allowed to rock up at the shay, leigh sports village, post office road and show torronto v Fax, leigh , F*V without paying a premium when this is likely to affect ticket sales.'"


Will it have much effect? Not sure too many fans are going to subscribe to PS if their portfolio consists only of TW games.

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How many Championship clubs raised these sorts of objections to their fixtures against Crusaders being broadcast on S4C?

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It is a good illustration of the "damned if you do..." aphorism, as RFL are crticised (rightly IMHO) for a TV deal giving the rights to broadcast the Championship to a company that does not intend to broadcast it; yet if they Do manage to get someone to broadcast Championship games, others complain about that.

I don't understand the "hit ticket sales" objection. Talk about glass half empty. If the commercial at the club can't make some money out of advertising at a televised fixture then they should all be sacked.

And if televising killed the numbers attending, what happened at the darts, which was broaqdcast wall to wall, yet is always packed out?

The answer is of course that it's NOT the televising, it's how the game is marketed. Darts have the great advantage of being the current home of the Hearns. If only they would switch to RL as their next interest.

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Am not saying don't broadcast it but why should TW get there own deal yet we have to make do with sky who wont show anything but the summer bash and middle 8s. If premier want to show games from the championship this needs to be a deal for all teams. Why should TW not have the same rules as the rest of the Championship. I would happily have one premier sports game or sky game of the championship each week. It worked fine before and made good viewing but not the TW show evry week and the home club is going to get no money from unless all object and say no

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Quote: hooligan27 "Am not saying don't broadcast it but why should TW get there own deal yet we have to make do with sky who wont show anything but the summer bash and middle 8s. If premier want to show games from the championship this needs to be a deal for all teams. Why should TW not have the same rules as the rest of the Championship. I would happily have one premier sports game or sky game of the championship each week. It worked fine before and made good viewing but not the TW show evry week and the home club is going to get no money from unless all object and say no'"


Perhaps TW used their initiative and sorted the deal out themselves

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If no equal agreement can be made, then PS can televise all Toronto's home games. Sorted

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "It is a good illustration of the "damned if you do..." aphorism, as RFL are crticised (rightly IMHO) for a TV deal giving the rights to broadcast the Championship to a company that does not intend to broadcast it; yet if they Do manage to get someone to broadcast Championship games, others complain about that.

I don't understand the "hit ticket sales" objection. Talk about glass half empty. If the commercial at the club can't make some money out of advertising at a televised fixture then they should all be sacked.

And if televising killed the numbers attending, what happened at the darts, which was broaqdcast wall to wall, yet is always packed out?

The answer is of course that it's NOT the televising, it's how the game is marketed. Darts have the great advantage of being the current home of the Hearns. If only they would switch to RL as their next interest.'"


Perhaps the example that York set in actually seeking to sell the fixture (others may have done as well) and had a bigger crowd than they have had for a good number of years.

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Quote: hooligan27 "Am not saying don't broadcast it but why should TW get there own deal yet we have to make do with sky who wont show anything but the summer bash and middle 8s. If premier want to show games from the championship this needs to be a deal for all teams. Why should TW not have the same rules as the rest of the Championship. I would happily have one premier sports game or sky game of the championship each week. It worked fine before and made good viewing but not the TW show evry week and the home club is going to get no money from unless all object and say no'"


If Toronto are able to negotiate some additional TV rights because they are based in another country then there isn't much you can do about it. Catalans do the exact same thing, and as someone else mentioned the Crusaders did likewise back when they were in SL.
Don't forget that both Toronto and Catalans will have far higher travel costs than others in their leagues though, so in the end the difference might not be that much.

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Quote: Roy Haggerty "Good God, are there still people in charge of our clubs who think TV coverage is a bad thing because it might deter a few dozen punters, rather than a great opportunity to attract more sponsorship and supporters in the future?

I'm struggling to imagine any other sport in which TV coverage would be seen as unwelcome!'"


You're having a laugh, right ?

For any business to allow one of their competitors to send a TV company into their back yard and make money from a broadcast, whilst said club gets feck all and without seeking permission is not acceptable.

Any loss of fans would come out of the home club's pocket and Toronto stand to gain.

Stand alone TV deals for "expansion" clubs are not acceptable.
IF they were chipping in to the main pot and this was being distributed for the "greater good" then there is no issue but, this doesn't appear to be the case.

I get what you are saying about increased advertising possibilities and maybe you are right but these things should be agreed between all clubs that may be affected and shouldn't ever be any one club pleasing themselves.

Massively different for Toronto's home games, although personally, I believe that any TV revenue should be shared.

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Quote: Cokey "If no equal agreement can be made, then PS can televise all Toronto's home games. Sorted'"

Unfortunately for you, Leigh won't have a say in the matter. When you apply for membership to the RFL you also hand over all responsibility regarding the negotiations of any TV broadcasting rights.

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Quote: Nothus "If Toronto are able to negotiate some additional TV rights because they are based in another country then there isn't much you can do about it. Catalans do the exact same thing, and as someone else mentioned the Crusaders did likewise back when they were in SL.
Don't forget that both Toronto and Catalans will have far higher travel costs than others in their leagues though, so in the end the difference might not be that much.'"


Additional costs for Toronto are irrelevant.
Surely any costs will be in their business plan to compete in The Championship (or League 1).

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Additional costs for Toronto are irrelevant.
Surely any costs will be in their business plan to compete in The Championship (or League 1).'"


Of course they are relevant. You want any income they can generate to be shared but don't want to know about expenditure? Okay then.

Maybe their additional tv rights form part of their business plan also?

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Quote: Nothus "Unfortunately for you, Leigh won't have a say in the matter. When you apply for membership to the RFL you also hand over all responsibility regarding the negotiations of any TV broadcasting rights.'"


Are you saying, If Leigh v Toronto is televised by PS, TW will get broadcasting money,and Leigh won't?

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Quote: Cokey "Are you saying, If Leigh v Toronto is televised by PS, TW will get broadcasting money,and Leigh won't?'"


It seems to be a contract between PS and TW so yes, that’s exactly what will happen.

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