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[quote:18jc6kzm]I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote="Jamie Jones-Buchanan":18jc6kzm]"I'd never forgive myself if a child of mine was born in Lancashire.[/quote:18jc6kzm]:1506.jpg



Quote: Stanley Unwin "If anyone wants to understand the RFL's strategy and objectives, its all here


Principle one of that 13-point plan is the key one for me. We simply don't have the key stakeholders aligned to the common goal, because too many clubs either don't have the skills to reach it, or because others don't share that same vision.

I posted this on the RFL Exec's thread - it sums up where I think they key problem is with the sport at large.

Quote: Stanley Unwin "This is where there is a real lack of joined-up thinking from the RFL and the other key stakeholders - the clubs.

There is a fair criticism to be made that the sport is poorly marketed. What I think is unfair is how most of the blame for that is pinned on the RFL. If you actually look at attendances for the main events that the RFL is responsible for marketing (the Grand Final, Magic Weekend and the CC Final), the trendline points upwards for each of those events.

The vast majority of the events in the RL calendar are league and cup fixtures where the responsibility for marketing those fixtures falls onto the clubs - and that is the biggest failure of the sport in my view.

Whilst the RFL has its responsibilities to market the league as an entity, as a very basic 'Marketing 101 approach', you have to grow the audience at the main point of consumption - and this is invariably at local level. That local engagement then feeds into support for international events and the wider sport.

What seems to happen at the moment is that the RFL provides some branding and some collateral at the start of the season, but the clubs seem free to use that as much or as little as they want. There's very little consistency of activity, and very little joined-up thinking between the RFL/SLE and the clubs.

We have 12 Super League clubs, and very little growth at the majority of them, so we really need to look at why - and what they are doing to engage new supporters, to encourage ticket sales, to speak to and cater for the sorts of audiences that we want to attract, and the audiences that will attract the sort of sponsors that we want to attract, to engage young people through their community system to play the sport - all pretty basic points of marketing. The clubs know their local markets much better than the RFL. They know their proposition much better than the RFL and they know their business models much better than the RFL - the onus is on them to all deliver audience growth at a local level.

Forgive the anecdote, but I know of two clubs that have no documented social media marketing plan - despite this form of media offering enormous opportunities to overcome what many in the sport percieve as a media bias against us. I can tell you of another that is spending 60% of it's social media advertising budget advertising to people who are already buying the product being advertised. This is basic stuff that they should have been getting right five years ago - not still struggling with today.

It's not the RFL's fault that certain clubs can't sell tickets for a true, sustainable market value. It's not the RFL's fault that some clubs struggle to engage new supporters. It's not the RFL's fault that some clubs still play in grounds that really aren't condusive to attracting people new to the sport. It's not the RFL's fault that around half of the England squad in the Four Nations came from the acadamies of three clubs. It's not the RFL's fault that clubs can't get basic marketing principles right, or that they see marketing as a cost centre.

The RFL deserves it's criticisms but there's no doubt in my mind that it is being hamstrung by pretty much all of the member clubs in one shape or form. It's time we started sharing the blame accordingly, rather than always looking to Red Hall.'"


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Quote: bramleyrhino "There is a fair criticism to be made that the sport is poorly marketed. What I think is unfair is how most of the blame for that is pinned on the RFL. If you actually look at attendances for the main events that the RFL is responsible for marketing (the Grand Final, Magic Weekend and the CC Final), the trendline points upwards for each of those events.
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Nigel Wood didnt fall in to the job or get it by accident. Its not simply that Wood needs to go but there is a reason why the job went to him. The entire governance of the game is wrong from top to bottom.

Wood should go, Rimmer should go, and rather than replace them, an entirely new governing structure of the game should be implemented.

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Loving the hypocrisy of some.:



As a side issue I think a big problem with how the game is managed is the lack of voice for the supporters. The key stakeholders in the future success of the game is not the club owners or those at Red Hall; it is those who are involved at an amateur level and those who spend their hard earned cash following their club.

Nigel Wood and his colleagues have for years turned the game into a joke with little or no opposition from the supporters and certainly no collective representative of the fans.

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While we're here, Brian Barwick has seemingly offered nothing to Rugby League since his appointment. Not a true scale of his influence but to search for 'Brian Barwick Rugby League' offers practically nothing via google search or news section.

The last thing of any note comes from October 2015 where Barwick says Rugby League must learn to grow its brand and engage people in it. So 2 years on, what evidence is there of that? People are disillusioned as ever. Just more fans to exploit financially.

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It's great that there is a plan (haven't had the time for a proper look at it), but from a quick skim read, I can't see any tangible actions that have been taking place to achieve any of the goals, the game is just ticking alon, there's certainly no public voice bringing the plan to life, linking actions with the plan, bringing the end goal to life.
There's a real lack of visible leadership and direction.

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Does the RLSA still exist? Why don't we create a group from people on here and approach The RFL with these concerns?

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[quote:18jc6kzm]I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote="Jamie Jones-Buchanan":18jc6kzm]"I'd never forgive myself if a child of mine was born in Lancashire.[/quote:18jc6kzm]:1506.jpg



Quote: Smith's Brolly "Yes the clubs should be held responsible for some of the figures before but as part of their own strategic plan..

Sell out the ‘Million Pound’ game on one occasion by 2017;
2015 Belle Vue 7,236 Capacity 9,333
2016 Craven Park 6,562 Capacity

I get where you're coming from, but in my respects it's a daft KPI to set yourself. It's like the KPIs that we had pre-licencing about average attendances, which led to certain clubs simply giving tickets away and massively devaluing the sport, simply to tick the box.

So few of these KPIs are revenue-related KPIs, and they're very easy to fudge or claim a 'false positive'. If you had a MPG involving a Leeds or Wigan away at a 10k ground, you'd probably be able to claim a sell-out with relatively little effort, but I think we'd all agree that it wouldn't be indicitive of the strengh of the sport. I also think that in the case of the MPG it's important to look at a long-term trend as it (if it is allowed to) develops. The first MPG involved two teams very closely located together and a well-supported visting team. The second involved two teams that were three times the distance apart and with a visiting team that are notoriously poor travelers. It needs a fair test to judge whether that fixture is a failure or not.

The problems with the Championship specifically aren't helped by it having this percpetion that none of the clubs (perhaps with the exception of Batley, who are on record as saying that they don't want promotion) want to be in it. It's hard to sell a league as a vibrant, worthwhile event when so many clubs are unhappy that they're not being allowed into a different league, yet so few are actually capable of getting out of the one they are in.

And again it comes down to how we are growing the audience at local level. The more people that the clubs can engage with at a local level, the more that filters through into success at RFL events.

As I said earlier, this is Marketing 101 that clubs are getting wrong - never mind the next level.

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Quote: bramleyrhino "I get where you're coming from, but in my respects it's a daft KPI to set yourself. It's like the KPIs that we had pre-licencing about average attendances, which led to certain clubs simply giving tickets away and massively devaluing the sport, simply to tick the box. '"

I agree with alot of what you say, and as someone with marketing experience, its not just the RFL who struggle with basic practises.. There is other things I could highlight but those stats were simple, easy to digest figures which are already showing the RFL's plan isn't either a) water tight or b) just plain shoddy.

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[quote:18jc6kzm]I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote="Jamie Jones-Buchanan":18jc6kzm]"I'd never forgive myself if a child of mine was born in Lancashire.[/quote:18jc6kzm]:1506.jpg



Quote: Smith's Brolly "I agree with alot of what you say, and as someone with marketing experience, its not just the RFL who struggle with basic practises.. There is other things I could highlight but those stats were simple, easy to digest figures which are already showing the RFL's plan isn't either a) water tight or b) just plain shoddy.'"


I'm not for a second absolving the RFL from criticism - it absolutely deserves both broard and very specific criticisms and I, like many others, am no fan of Wood.

But for as long as we see the RFL being used as this convenient lightning rod for the game's ills, we'll continue to avoid challenging underperformance at each and every club in Super League and beyond - and that's what will see the game go backwards.

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Quote: bramleyrhino "I'm not for a second absolving the RFL from criticism - it absolutely deserves both broard and very specific criticisms and I, like many others, am no fan of Wood.

But for as long as we see the RFL being used as this convenient lightning rod for the game's ills, we'll continue to avoid challenging underperformance at each and every club in Super League and beyond - and that's what will see the game go backwards.'"

Not only Nigel Wood but all the rest need to go and get people in that can do a good job and make money and sort out the mess it seems to be

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Quote: Superted "Absolutely...

What is the long term plan for the game? Does anybody know?

Is expansion a direction the game is wanting to head in? If so, do we know why? What areas are we targetting? What are the long term plans to get there? What are we doing at grass roots level to build the infratructure a professional club requires to build from?

What is the plan with regards attendances? Are we looking to improve attendances at grounds? Or are we more focussed on the commerial aspect of TV audiances? Whichever it is, what is the long term aim? What are the goals? What plans are in place to get there? Or is it both (which I'd guess it is)? If so, how are we going to manage to directly conflicting goals, and again, what are the short term/long term plans and goals?

It feels very much that we just plod along in the 'here and now' with no long term thinking or strategy. We just protect what we've got currently and fire fight the various issues that come along (clubs struggling financially, trends in the game, the NRL moving light years ahead, inability to attract top players). That's not a way to make any business thrive. We need a visionary - someone who can see past the current issues and look at the long term future of the game. We shouldn't worry too much about the NRL's massive salary cap and losing talent right now, we should focus on how we make the game over here the absolute best it can be - if we do that, we'll start attracting more money into the game and many of our currrent issues will then be resolved.'"

Nothing ever comes out. We don't know where the game will be in 18months m, never mind long term. What is their vision? What are their plans? What initiatives do they have in store? We're never told

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Is the problem the money or the man?? A lot of people seem to be moaning more about his wage than his "acheivements". I agree he should go, but this is the top job in RL in the Northern Hemisphere, if the person did a great job they could justify a salary of 10 million!

Im not sure who would come in and replace him though, ideally it would be a rugby man and a business man working side by side.

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Quote: Halifax1989 "Is the problem the money or the man?? A lot of people seem to be moaning more about his wage than his "acheivements". I agree he should go, but this is the top job in RL in the Northern Hemisphere, if the person did a great job they could justify a salary of 10 million!

Im not sure who would come in and replace him though, ideally it would be a rugby man and a business man working side by side.'"


It requires a sports businessman - someone who knows how to run a business, but also understands the sporting landscape.

He might be massively dis-liked, but I'd imagine Barrie Hearn could make a huge impact on our sport!

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Loving the hypocrisy of some.:



Quote: Superted "It requires a sports businessman - someone who knows how to run a business, but also understands the sporting landscape.

He might be massively dis-liked, but I'd imagine Barrie Hearn could make a huge impact on our sport!'"


Barry Hearn is very much about razzamatazz and changing formats. Havent we had enough of that over the years?

RL needs to stick/return to its roots which are firmly set in the north. Yes, try expand the game but naturally rather than forced. If it doesnt happen, then sobeit. The forced expansion has been tried and failed.

A stronger and more stable game makes it easier to market which in turn should bring greater money into it and lead to growth. Create proper competition where teams can be promoted into SL and relegated out of it. Sport is about success and failure; it shouldnt be about franchising but about what happens on the field of play.

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