FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > The Virtual Terrace > England Full Back
169 posts in 12 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
RankPostsTeam
International Star214No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 201213 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2024Jun 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
66737_1331563933.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_66737.jpg



I agree that Hardaker has to be the choice going on form this season, I expect Widdop to play at 6, I don't believe he has played 1 for a number of years now.

One thing I would say about Tomkins is out of all of them I still think he is the most talented with respect to decision making and executing in attack. Against Australia and New Zealand there will be a huge difference in the quality of the fringe defence compared with Super League, they will shoot out quicker, drift quicker and will be stronger in the contact. Chances will be few and far between so it is imperative that we convert them, as I said I think that part of Tomkins game can still be better than the others.

RankPostsTeam
International Star901
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 201410 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Dec 2019Mar 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: Towns88 "Shenton and Percival are having tremendous seasons and are better centres then Zak and Zak is a better FB then Ratchford. Samoa game was there to experiment so I'm hoping that's all it was ....'"


Bennett and McNamara before him just don't seem to fancy any centres other than Watkins. In the NZ series two years ago Bateman was played at centre and then in the Samoa game Bennett picked Hardaker there. Also when Hardaker was at Penrith he was usually picked at centre when he played wasn't he? I think he's more interested in his centres being good defensively than going forward, which is why I think he'll go with Hardaker as he's pretty good defensively, as most of the attack will come from carries up the middle which is why he'll always pick Hall and McGillvary on the wings even if they were out of form for some reason. I think if we had another centre as good as Watkins he'd maybe pick Hardaker at fullback, although even then I still think he'd want his full back to be better going forward than Hardaker is against a defence as good as Australia's.

Probably not what I'd go with but I think that's what he'll go with.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2833No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 200916 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Apr 2022Apr 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



For me, Bennett has to decide on the spine of the team and stick with it every game unless there are injuries. Only by playing together will we develop the combinations that give us a chance of winning in the latter stages. Whoever Bennett picks, I just hope he is willing to stick with them and give them the opportunity to develop and understanding.
Personally I'd have Hardaker, Gale, Widdop and Hodgson as the four spine players.

RankPostsTeam
Moderator21024
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200816 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
41119.jpg
A dog is not considered a good dog because he is a good barker. A man is not considered a good man because he is a good talker - Buddha:41119.jpg

Moderator


Hardaker is way ahead of everyone else. No contest.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5035No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200916 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2021Oct 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
44747_1304271884.png
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_44747.png



Hardaker is head & shoulders above anyone else at FB and has been for a number of years with 1 obvious dip last season. Best defensive full back by a long way and no slouch in attack at all. Players like Tomkins & Lomax shouldn't even get anywhere near the squad nevermind the starting lineup. Ratchford is a decent player to take because of the number of positions he can cover.

RankPostsTeam
International Star901
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 201410 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Dec 2019Mar 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: nottinghamtiger "For me, Bennett has to decide on the spine of the team and stick with it every game unless there are injuries. Only by playing together will we develop the combinations that give us a chance of winning in the latter stages. Whoever Bennett picks, I just hope he is willing to stick with them and give them the opportunity to develop and understanding.
Personally I'd have Hardaker, Gale, Widdop and Hodgson as the four spine players.'"


I'd go with that but just can't see it happening.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach10530
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 200519 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jun 2020Jun 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
18919_1341147656.jpg
[quote="King Monkey":30st820n]Maybe a spell in prison would do Graham good. At least he'd lose his virginity.[/quote:30st820n]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_18919.jpg



Quote: jakeyg95 "Does anyone actually think Bennett will pick Hardaker though? For the Samoa game when Widdop dropped out with injury he brought Ratchford straight in to play full back and left Percival out even though he was originally in the squad, which suggests he doesn't fancy any centres other than Watkins. I think he'll play the same backline as the Samoa game with Widdop in for Ratchford at full back barring injuries to anyone.'"


We don't have many centres capable of matching the Australians or Kiwis physically, either in size or pace. Shenton would be solid, and he's in good form, I think he should get the nod, but Josh Griffin has also been in good form recently, he has all the athletic attributes, so perhaps he could work his way into the squad. I also think Joe Burgess would be a good shout to play in the centres.

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member6734No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 200322 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jul 2021Jun 2021LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
3738_1390436317.gif
The referee's indecision is final:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3738.gif



Quote: Charlie Sheen "We don't have many centres capable of matching the Australians or Kiwis physically, either in size or pace. Shenton would be solid, and he's in good form, I think he should get the nod, but Josh Griffin has also been in good form recently, he has all the athletic attributes, so perhaps he could work his way into the squad. I also think Joe Burgess would be a good shout to play in the centres.'"


i'm a hull supporter and i wouldn't have griffin anywhere near an international side. would be pulled apart defensively

RankPostsTeam
International Star901
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 201410 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Dec 2019Mar 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: Charlie Sheen "We don't have many centres capable of matching the Australians or Kiwis physically, either in size or pace. '"


Yep, this is what I think Bennett thinks and why I reckon he'll go with Hardaker in the centres.

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman9565No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 200223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Dec 2019Dec 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
fonds noir/Buzz Lightyear.gif
:fonds noir/Buzz Lightyear.gif



To be fair, against Samoa Percival would have been opposite Leilua, who is probably the strongest centre in the game ATM. On the whole our outside backs aren't big or strong enough, which is why the default will be to pick those who are big enough, even if they're not in form.

DGM
RankPostsTeam
International Star2490No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 201510 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2020Mar 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
73680_1515668157.jpg
[size=85:3idnpzvq]Cup Winners: 1914, 1982, 2005, 2016, 2017. Cup Runners-Up: 1908, 1909, 1910, 1922, 1923, 1959, 1960, 1980, 1983, 1985, 2008, 2013. League Champions: 1920, 1921, 1936, 1956, 1958, 1983. League Runners-Up: 1957, 1982, 1984, 2006.[/size:3idnpzvq]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_73680.jpg



Quote: the artist "i'm a hull supporter and i wouldn't have griffin anywhere near an international side. would be pulled apart defensively'"


A month ago I wouldn't have had him anyway near our reserve side. He has put in some decent performances recently though, but still a long way off playing for England. As you say, his defence is woeful at times. It's not his physicality that's an issue particularly, but it's his inability to read the game, & his positional awareness that let's him down.

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain163No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 20178 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jul 2017Jul 2017LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: jakeyg95 "I'd probably pick Hardaker but I think Bennett will pick Widdop at full back, Hardaker at centre and Gale/Williams in the halves.'"


I'm convinced that's what Bennett will go with too, hence why he played Zak there in the Samoa game.

Whilst Zak has been easily the best FB in SL this season, he still doesn't look completely convincing with ball in hand to pick the right option. Should Widdop play there, a half in great form, it may give our attack more impetus, whilst not losing us anything in defence as he does have experience playing there in the past.

Not saying that is what I'd go with, but that's how I think Bennett may be looking at it.

RankPostsTeam
International Star718No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 201212 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2018Aug 2018LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Hardaker was poor at Penrith and hardly got any game time at all last year.
He looked like a boy playing against men.
He will not worry either Oz or NZ and they may even target him in attack.

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member1091No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200322 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2018Mar 2018LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

'There's only one code of rugby.':



Lomax is definitely going to be in there somewhere, whether people like it or not.

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach29773
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 200420 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
10919_1322084665.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_10919.jpg



Sam Tomkins may have a future somewhere in an England shirt but it certainly won't be at fullback in this World Cup. He is struggling for pace and mobility and if that doesn't come back then he won't have a future as a fullback even at superleague level.

As things stand Hardaker should be at fullback with probably Ratchford providing some utility back up. I'd go Widdop and Gale in the halves as Williams form has gone totally west. A player I'd still be considering for the squad would be James Roby. He looks to be in good form for St Helens and his experience could be very handy.

169 posts in 12 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint
169 posts in 12 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Durham Giant , TimperleySaint



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


4.52783203125:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
11m
Castleford sack Lingard
FIL
8
11m
Dual Reg
Spookisback
9
20m
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
Clearwing
13
26m
Transfer Talk V5
The Biffs Ba
503
26m
Pre Season - 2025
mwindass
183
29m
How many games will we win
Butcher
5
30m
New Players
BigTime
137
Recent
2025 Recruitment
Clickin'knee
193
Recent
Film game
karetaker
5631
Recent
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2592
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Pre Season - 2025
mwindass
183
1m
Film game
karetaker
5631
1m
Wigan v Wire in Vegas
karetaker
11
1m
New Players
BigTime
137
1m
Transfer Talk V5
The Biffs Ba
503
2m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2592
2m
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
2m
Dual Reg
Spookisback
9
3m
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
Clearwing
13
3m
War of the Roses
ratticusfinc
30
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
Butcher
5
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
ColD
2
TODAY
Catalan Away
jonh
5
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
rubber ducki
12
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
Big lads mat
40
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
Butcher
20
TODAY
Luke Gale testimonial match
BarnsleyGull
2
TODAY
England 5 - 0 Ireland
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To Newcastle
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
372
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
524
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1265
England's Women Demolish The W..
1090
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1329
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1123
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1383
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1922
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2141
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2379
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1953
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2190
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2655
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2085
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2159
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.65M 1,862 ↑280,15514,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 Thu 13th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
20:00
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Fri 14th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
20:00
Hull KR
v
Castleford
20:00
Catalans
v
Hull FC
 Sat 15th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
15:00
Leeds
v
Wakefield
17:30
St.Helens
v
Salford
 Sun 16th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Warrington
 Thu 20th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
20:00
Wakefield
v
Hull KR
 Fri 21st Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
20:00
Warrington
v
Catalans
20:00
Hull FC
v
Wigan
 Sat 22nd Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
15:00
Salford
v
Leeds
20:00
Castleford
v
St.Helens
 Sun 23rd Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
14:30
Leigh
v
Huddersfield
 Thu 6th Mar 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R3
20:00
Hull FC
v
Leigh
 Fri 7th Mar 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R3
20:00
Castleford
v
Salford
20:00
St.Helens
v
Hull KR
 Sat 8th Mar 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R3
17:30
Catalans
v
Leeds
 Sun 9th Mar 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R3
17:30
Warrington
v
Wakefield
17:30
Wigan
v
Huddersfield
 Thu 20th Mar 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R4
20:00
Salford
v
Huddersfield
 Fri 21st Mar 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R4
20:00
St.Helens
v
Warrington
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
11m
Castleford sack Lingard
FIL
8
11m
Dual Reg
Spookisback
9
20m
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
Clearwing
13
26m
Transfer Talk V5
The Biffs Ba
503
26m
Pre Season - 2025
mwindass
183
29m
How many games will we win
Butcher
5
30m
New Players
BigTime
137
Recent
2025 Recruitment
Clickin'knee
193
Recent
Film game
karetaker
5631
Recent
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2592
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Pre Season - 2025
mwindass
183
1m
Film game
karetaker
5631
1m
Wigan v Wire in Vegas
karetaker
11
1m
New Players
BigTime
137
1m
Transfer Talk V5
The Biffs Ba
503
2m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2592
2m
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
2m
Dual Reg
Spookisback
9
3m
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
Clearwing
13
3m
War of the Roses
ratticusfinc
30
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
Butcher
5
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
ColD
2
TODAY
Catalan Away
jonh
5
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
rubber ducki
12
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
Big lads mat
40
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
Butcher
20
TODAY
Luke Gale testimonial match
BarnsleyGull
2
TODAY
England 5 - 0 Ireland
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To Newcastle
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
372
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
524
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1265
England's Women Demolish The W..
1090
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1329
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1123
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1383
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1922
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2141
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2379
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1953
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2190
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2655
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2085
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2159


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!