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|  icon_smile.gificon_smile.gif You can't have a fast track system AND p&r.
How about a North American/Canadian League and a French League (haven't they already got one). Let's sort the sport out in our own country first eh Nigel. |
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| Quote: DemonUK "
We've had over 100 years to "sort it out" and we made a right "bollo..." of it, hence the move to summer rugby and "franchising".
What the sport really does need to do is, work out where it wants to be in 5, 10 and 20 years time and then achieve those aims but, sadly, it just doesn't have any kind of laid down strategy.
Instead it lurches from "quick fix to "quick fix" and the game is just about stagnant.
The Aussie are jointly to blame as, they couldn't give a damn what happens over here as long as they have their precious State of Origin series and just as we need a strong French team, they need the game to be strong over here.
Our game has to make a plan and stick with it and although you say that there can be a "fast track" system AND P/R, the two dont really go together and if the game is serious about helping France and Canada develop as professional Rugby League playing nations, there has to be some serious thought given to it or, both will fail AND we may harm the British game in the process.
Personally, I dont have an issue with replacing a British club with a Canadian and/or French club in SL but, ONLY if it will be for the longer term good of the sport.
The old Franchising system should have been the right "vehicle" for doing this, allowing for the addition of new clubs etc but, instead, the top flight was shrunk (due to "insufficient numbers of quality professional players"icon_wink.gif and to give the remaining clubs a bit more cash and this was plainly wrong for a sport that wants to expand the reach of it's top division.
We could wait for "organic" growth, from the grass roots up but, we are already miles behind Union and we do need a method if increasing the number of playing nations.
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| Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "Toulouse have already beaten Leigh Centurions and got to within 6 points of Wakefield before going down 40-22 at Wakefield.
Therefore Toulouse are already at the standard of the Middle 8s!
You sir, and your few fans, are a motley little group of insular, flat capped UKIP donkeys'"
Still going strong empty head ,answer me the question you always avoid is this the same Toulouse that imploded with less than 500 fans the last time?so what's changed now ,let's see if they get out the division there in and see how they go next year if they avoid the drop they will have done well oh have they any French players playing for them yet ? |
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| Quote: Doom&Gloom Merchant "And why not! ![]()
As do London , Sheffield ,Huddersfield and Salford
But ?
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "We've had over 100 years to "sort it out" and we made a right "bollo..." of it, hence the move to summer rugby and "franchising".
What the sport really does need to do is, work out where it wants to be in 5, 10 and 20 years time and then achieve those aims but, sadly, it just doesn't have any kind of laid down strategy.
Instead it lurches from "quick fix to "quick fix" and the game is just about stagnant.
The Aussie are jointly to blame as, they couldn't give a damn what happens over here as long as they have their precious State of Origin series and just as we need a strong French team, they need the game to be strong over here.
Our game has to make a plan and stick with it and although you say that there can be a "fast track" system AND P/R, the two dont really go together and if the game is serious about helping France and Canada develop as professional Rugby League playing nations, there has to be some serious thought given to it or, both will fail AND we may harm the British game in the process.
Personally, I dont have an issue with replacing a British club with a Canadian and/or French club in SL but, ONLY if it will be for the longer term good of the sport.
The old Franchising system should have been the right "vehicle" for doing this, allowing for the addition of new clubs etc but, instead, the top flight was shrunk (due to "insufficient numbers of quality professional players"icon_wink.gif and to give the remaining clubs a bit more cash and this was plainly wrong for a sport that wants to expand the reach of it's top division.
We could wait for "organic" growth, from the grass roots up but, we are already miles behind Union and we do need a method if increasing the number of playing nations.'"
By all means ' franchise ' , set the criteria and stick to it
But we know that doesn't happen |
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| Quote: DemonUK "
Exactly, I have a big issue with expanding super league outside of the UK when our priority should be other areas of England with Wales, Scotland and Ireland. The RFL just seem to go down the route of expanding globally which will do sod all to the remaining English clubs financially, do we really want a future super league with a portion of our season with no away fans.
My priority would promote and develop Superleague to the North East England, Midlands, Wales, Ireland, Scotland .................Not France, Canada, Antarctica etc.
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| Quote: Judder Man "Exactly, I have a big issue with expanding super league outside of the UK when our priority should be other areas of England with Wales, Scotland and Ireland. The RFL just seem to go down the route of expanding globally which will do sod all to the remaining English clubs financially, do we really want a future super league with a portion of our season with no away fans.
My priority would promote and develop Superleague to the North East England, Midlands, Wales, Ireland, Scotland .................Not France, Canada, Antarctica etc.'"
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| Quote: GUBRATS "How ?'"
By avoiding areas where other sports are competitive, the London guise had to compete with the football giants of Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea and the union equivalents of London Irish, Saracens, Harlequins. We created a a South Wales Team against the hot bed of Welsh Rugby Union, Salford really struggle for support against the likes of Man Utd and Man City.
Currently there are no "elite" sporting teams in the North East and the Midlands a 5 year plan should have been put in place to get clubs to Championship Level, the North Wales development should have been RFL financed properly to assist the future backers.
The only positive out of the 20+ years with London is that we did eventually get some super league quality players from the capital area. Maybe the RFL want 20+ years in France, Canada etc whilst our own domestic product eventually becomes a feeder league to the NRL, maybe the RFL are happy of the possible outcome that 90% of the England international side will be anonymous in super league because they are playing 10,000 miles away. |
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| Quote: jesus-is-coming "Still going strong empty head ,answer me the question you always avoid is this the same Toulouse that imploded with less than 500 fans the last time?so what's changed now ,let's see if they get out the division there in and see how they go next year if they avoid the drop they will have done well oh have they any French players playing for them yet ?'"
So much ignorance in one post that I barely know where to start...
For the record they get bigger crowds than almost all Championship clubs despite currently playing in a temporary home outside of Toulouse. Their squad (which knocked the Championship leaders out of the Cup incidentally) is majority French and the team that beat Keighley had an average age of 23 too. They're only going to get better
Oh sorry of course it's all an RFL conspiracy, send them back, develop Cumbria instead etc, etc, |
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| Quote: Judder Man "By avoiding areas where other sports are competitive, the London guise had to compete with the football giants of Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea and the union equivalents of London Irish, Saracens, Harlequins. We created a a South Wales Team against the hot bed of Welsh Rugby Union, Salford really struggle for support against the likes of Man Utd and Man City.
Currently there are no "elite" sporting teams in the North East and the Midlands a 5 year plan should have been put in place to get clubs to Championship Level, the North Wales development should have been RFL financed properly to assist the future backers.
The only positive out of the 20+ years with London is that we did eventually get some super league quality players from the capital area. Maybe the RFL want 20+ years in France, Canada etc whilst our own domestic product eventually becomes a feeder league to the NRL, maybe the RFL are happy of the possible outcome that 90% of the England international side will be anonymous in super league because they are playing 10,000 miles away.'"
So really , you like the rest of us , hasn't a clue |
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| Quote: GUBRATS "So really , you like the rest of us , RFL hasn't a clue'"
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Thought I'd put a couple of Keighley Cougar v Toulouse game videos up for analysis and comments
Forum rules prohibit us from putting up links, so Google :
" toulouse olympique video channel " to find the summary 10 min version ; and if you're a die hard analyst the 2nd video with the full version.
Johnathon Ford and Greg White, servicing the left winger Kuni Minga were pulled from the field with 20 minutes to go, and the Bentley brothers were not playing. That's 4 international standard players out. The score sheet still ticked over.
One of the French players commented that they are at the business end of the season and need to take their game to the next level. Are they really that good ?
Can a 4th placed team/ iPro winners really be that bad, or was it that Toulouse were that good?
Are the likes of York, Rochdale and Doncaster going to stop them? What's your analysis of where they are at.
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I would say they are better than Keighley. Whether they surrender against the likes of York and Rochdale is another matter.
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| Quote: JonB95 "So much ignorance in one post that I barely know where to start...
For the record they get bigger crowds than almost all Championship clubs despite currently playing in a temporary home outside of Toulouse. Their squad (which knocked the Championship leaders out of the Cup incidentally) is majority French and the team that beat Keighley had an average age of 23 too. They're only going to get better ![]()
Yeah really pulling in the crowds a 1335 and a 738 so when they get promoted and start losing again they'll be down to less than 500 again and as for the squad they must and some multi passport holders so let's not get all giddy over them again let them grow and see were and if they are still in existence in 5 years
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| Quote: jesus-is-coming "Yeah really pulling in the crowds a 1335 and a 738 so when they get promoted and start losing again they'll be down to less than 500 again and as for the squad they must and some multi passport holders ![]()
Pray tell me which Championship clubs besides Leigh and Bradford (and Halifax on a good day) would draw more than 2,000 fans for games against Coventry and Doncaster? Toulouse's average crowd is higher than anyone else despite every game being a walkover.
As for the claim that Toulouse's squad isn't majority French, you'll have to provide evidence for that I'm afraid. It isn't true. This and the fact that you seem to think they will be out of existence in five years (you do realise this is an old club of great heritage and not a franchise, right?) shows that you know little of what you talk about.
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