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Quote: Frosties. "Question is though, what happens if Salford get a points deduction and didn't make it to 0 before super eights kick in? RFL need to think long and hard how to deal with this situation.'"

Agree.
I doubt the RFL have thought about how the new system would affect points deductions in general. If a club gets a points deduction but still makes the top 8 then it's ok, they still feel the effect of that punishment.

But if a club is unlikely to make the top 8, like Salford, Widnes or Wakefield, then a points deduction has very little effect on them.

Maybe there needs to be a process whereby part of any points deduction is only applied during the 8's. For instance with a 6 point deduction, 4 points could be applied prior to the 8's and 2 points deducted as soon as the 8's start. Or maybe only 1 point if 2 is deemed too harsh.

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Quote: Slugger McBatt "They'd be bottom, as per us last year, and have ages to prepare for the middle 8's, which will send Leigh into meltdown. The whole of the Championship will be molten.'"


I'm not sure the waiting around for the middle 8's technique would really work if put into proper practise. Wakefield doesn't count in a way as they made a significant coaching improvement. Had Webster stayed I think they'd have gone down.

I reckon IF their was a points deduction that left Salford no chance of avoiding the Bottom 4 then it would drain the life out of the club and therefore the players and lots of heavy batterings most weeks in SL and I'm sure Koukash would be carrying on left, right and centre, perhaps even walking away from the sport......and I'd struggle to see them being able to then produce some performances when it mattered in the Middle 8's.

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Quote: Him "Agree.
I doubt the RFL have thought about how the new system would affect points deductions in general. If a club gets a points deduction but still makes the top 8 then it's ok, they still feel the effect of that punishment.

But if a club is unlikely to make the top 8, like Salford, Widnes or Wakefield, then a points deduction has very little effect on them.

Maybe there needs to be a process whereby part of any points deduction is only applied during the 8's. For instance with a 6 point deduction, 4 points could be applied prior to the 8's and 2 points deducted as soon as the 8's start. Or maybe only 1 point if 2 is deemed too harsh.'"


Any points deduction is pretty much a waste of time as, no matter what, Salford will be in the "qualification league" at the end of the season.
Even if they were to be relegated, they would still be in the same end of season league.

What are the rules for the alleged salary cap breaches ?

As others have said, most punishments become meaningless for clubs in their position.

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Quote: Him "Not if the allegations about 2 contracts are true it's not.
If they're true it's a very big RL story.'"


The case in question was thrown out of court a while ago. Not sure another RFL investigation is going to find anything different than a law court.

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Quote: TheButcher "The case in question was thrown out of court a while ago. Not sure another RFL investigation is going to find anything different than a law court.'"


It is perfectly possible for something to be both LEGAL in a court of law, and against the RFL Operational Rules.

No idea whether it is in this case or not, but just because a court has OK'd something, it doesn't mean there isn't a breach of some other rules.

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Here we go again some read a couple of paragraphs in a trade paper and become judge,jury and executioner.
Wonder how many bother to follow the transcripts from the two day court hearing before jumping in.

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Quote: TheButcher "The case in question was thrown out of court a while ago. Not sure another RFL investigation is going to find anything different than a law court.'"


The court hearing was not investigating possible Salary Cap breaches, and if the RFL did have a representative in court it would seem he would have heard enough to justify a SC investigation. The way this man does business is clearly 'unorthodox' otherwise there wouldn't be as many claims against him or the club. There are still at least 3 rumoured to be outstanding against him.

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Quote: DemonUK "The court hearing was not investigating possible Salary Cap breaches, and if the RFL did have a representative in court it would seem he would have heard enough to justify a SC investigation. The way this man does business is clearly 'unorthodox' otherwise there wouldn't be as many claims against him or the club. There are still at least 3 outstanding against him. Also his claim to have won all the cases against him isn't entirely true either.'"

Name the three that are outstanding

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The shocking part for me is comparing Salford to Melbourne.

If it turns out that Salford have manipulated the cap, what a futile deception & based on performance a waste of money.

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Quote: bezzerscr "Name the three that are outstanding'"


Oooooh that was a defensive challenge.

Hock, Chase and Long

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Quote: EHW "It is perfectly possible for something to be both LEGAL in a court of law, and against the RFL Operational Rules.

No idea whether it is in this case or not, but just because a court has OK'd something, it doesn't mean there isn't a breach of some other rules.'"



Its perfectly possible to be in line with the RFL Operational Rules and still in breach - do you not remember Wigans "breaking the spirit of the cap"?

It seems, judging by the tweet below

The wider issue would be clubs abusing the rule (in the exempt from cap value calculations section)
the Gross value of any bonus payments that may Accrue to the Player during the Salary Cap Year if he wins the annual Man-of-Steel award (or any other similar individual award) or any Man-of-the-Match awards in that Salary Cap Year;
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Now, I've had several discussions on this particular rule about whether an internal award (both -of-the-year and mom) would be covered by this. I've always maintained the opinion it did (something to think about the next time the club awards a mom to a player who was completely anonymous all game). If this is what the complaint is based around, it will be interesting to see how it develops.

No idea about the 2 contracts stuff though, that would (presumedly) be a direct breach

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Quote: Him "Not if the allegations about 2 contracts are true it's not.
If they're true it's a very big RL story.'"


If true it would also suggest that certain players knowingly and willingly participated in breaching the rules and those individual players should be punished accordingly.

With Puletua now retired,this may focus on a certain club in the north west.

Interesting times.

It's gotta be time for he return of Des.He has served most of his 8 yrs ban now,hasn't he?

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Quote: DemonUK "Oooooh that was a defensive challenge.

Hock, Chase and Long'"


Three notorious braindeads. I don't fancy their chances.

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Quote: Diavolo Rosso "Three notorious braindeads. I don't fancy their chances.'"


So because they are as you say 'braindeads' it makes it ok to possibly rip them off. What a stupid statement.

"Ha, you're braindead so Salford win", don't think it quite works like that. Incidentally has anyone heard from Mr Vickers since he left, bet he has some interesting tales to tell. Personally I don't care which way this goes, but for investigations to have been ongoing since October it would suggest there is lots to look at or the RFL are very slow (likely)

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Conspiracy theory at its best. Koukash sells entire team to Leigh, Salford made to swap places with Leigh for coming season and the good doctor buys Leigh.

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