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| Yeah remember the Ryan Hall no try against the Aussies in their Blue and Maroon kit? What about the sensational Shaun Johnson in the final?! He made the Aussies look like semi-pros!
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| Quote: BuckleyStreetWire "Yeah remember the Ryan Hall no try against the Aussies in their Blue and Maroon kit? What about the sensational Shaun Johnson in the final?! He made the Aussies look like semi-pros!'"
You are correct The sensational Shaun Johnson beat several Aussie tacklers to set up Manu Vatuvei's try, and later it was none other than the great Gregory Inglis who was beaten with step, swerve and speed by the sensational Shaun Johnson.
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| Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "Many people are getting carried away by the narrow England series win against a badly depleted New Zealand side.
Consider, based on current form, the New Zealand side that England will probably face in 2017 (players missing from this series in bold)Roger Tuivasa-Sheck
Jason Nightingale, Dean Whare, Shaun Kenny-Dowell, Manu Vatuvei.
Kieran Foran
Shaun Johnson
Jason Taumololo
Simon Mannering, Kevin Proctor
Jared Warea- Hargreaves, Isaac Luke, Jesse Bromwich
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InterchangeKodi Nikorima, Samuel Moa, Benjamin Matulino, Tohu Harris[/i,
That is a hell of a team. The missing halves, loose forward and prop would have made a huge difference.
The possible inclusion in a future England team of George and Samuel Burgess, Jack Reed, and perhaps Samuel Tomkins (where would he be fitted?), would not offset the dramatic increase in New Zealand's ability that would come from having the six missing players available.'"
True but England are also missing Sam& George Burgess, Jack Reed, Sam Tomkins.
But more importantly, that was a young England team who are only going to get better.
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| Hardaker MUST be full back. He's different class to Tomkins in that position. The first two names on the team sheet must be Graham and Hardaker. If Sam Burgess recovers his pue-Union form he's a must too. All other positions up for grabs.
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| You can only beat what's in front of you.
This is could be a huge PR boost for RL, especially given the England Union team's crashing and burning out of their international tournament.
Let's just see if the RFL will jump on this horse and ride it
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| Quote: Dally "Hardaker MUST be full back. He's different class to Tomkins in that position. The first two names on the team sheet must be Graham and Hardaker. If Sam Burgess recovers his pue-Union form he's a must too. All other positions up for grabs.'"
I agree. Some of his defence in this series has been first class, something I've never said about STomkins. Hardaker is better under the high ball too, while they are fairly similar quality on the ball.
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| Tomkins should replace Widdop in the halves, Widdop needs a big season in 2016 because the only reason I can see for him getting in the team is because he's playing in the NRL.
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| Quote: roofaldo2 "You can only beat what's in front of you.
This is could be a huge PR boost for RL, especially given the England Union team's crashing and burning out of their international tournament.
Let's just see if the RFL will jump on this horse and ride it'"
First thing to do is get the games held at big stadiums. Etihad, St James Park, Wembley. There is a big appetite for international RL in this country.
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| This has a much different feel.
England have shown great improvement in performance in recent years but have fallen short. Now they have ground out the result and got over the line. They have competition for places, more quality young players coming through and more quality to add to the squad that didn't play. England will kick on from this, it's a stepping stone.
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "This has a much different feel.
England have shown great improvement in performance in recent years but have fallen short. Now they have ground out the result and got over the line. They have competition for places, more quality young players coming through and more quality to add to the squad that didn't play. England will kick on from this, it's a stepping stone.'"
The big difference for me is that we've consistently kept ourselves in games against the Aussies and Kiwis. For three years now we've been in each and every game against them regardless of us winning them or not. When you compare that to the past we've always had a game when we collapse in a heap but that hasn't happened in a while.
We need to kick on now. I really do think we could win that next World Cup.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "The big difference for me is that we've consistently kept ourselves in games against the Aussies and Kiwis. For three years now we've been in each and every game against them regardless of us winning them or not. When you compare that to the past we've always had a game when we collapse in a heap but that hasn't happened in a while.
We need to kick on now. I really do think we could win that next World Cup.'"
They've been gradually building towards this since Mcnamara took over in 2010. The regular training camps, the professionalism of the set up, fresher younger players being selected, the cohesion of the team play. McBanana cops some flack but he's set some real foundations in place.
What it needs now is a top quality coach to swoop in and add those finishing touches to what has been built. Like Maguire taking from noble at wigan. Smith from powell at leeds. Someone who comes into the team with everything in place and pushes them on to that next level.
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| I know it's not a popular model, but England's current talent is result of the franchising system. Clubs weren't recruiting to stay afloat and are producing there own talent, I know the top 4 have always promoted but this England has an even spread from all clubs. 10 years ago you wouldn't of had players from cas or huds in the team. Long may it continue when you compare this England to the England of 2008
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "They've been gradually building towards this since Mcnamara took over in 2010. The regular training camps, the professionalism of the set up, fresher younger players being selected, the cohesion of the team play. McBanana cops some flack but he's set some real foundations in place.
What it needs now is a top quality coach to swoop in and add those finishing touches to what has been built. Like Maguire taking from noble at wigan. Smith from powell at leeds. Someone who comes into the team with everything in place and pushes them on to that next level.'"
I agree 100% and said the same at the game today.
McNamara has improved many things but we just look like we need somebody to push his hard work over the line.
Either way a long term de idiom needs to be made. If he stays then he stays until after the next World Cup as a minimum.
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| Worst thread ever but anyway, the last time Jared Warea Hargreaves spearheaded the Kiwi pack they lost by 30.
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| didn't read the thread just saw the author so instinct tells me
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