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| Do we want to build a squad for the future or do we want to just win a test series vs NZ? If it's the latter, Danny McGuire should be in there on form, well ahead of Matt Smith.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "You watched Bateman this year? He's been sensational.
Williams? He's been terrific.
Farrell? He's back on top form and was the best forward on the field last night.
O'Loughlin? He's captain and therefore is bound to be picked. He's playing well but can improve.
Smith? He shouldn't be in our team so I'm with you.'"
Agree with that, only Smith can be put in the lucky to be selected bracket but it seems Mcnamara is to keep faith in him and continue with him at 7.
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| very surprising Cuthbertson isn't included.He brings far more to the table than Ferres who hasn't been great this year.
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| Hopefully Whitehead actually gets to play this time, rather than just making up the numbers like he did last year.
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| The issue is squad balance. There are too many backrowers and not enough props. We don't need Farrell and Bateman because there are already 4 better backrowers in the squad. What we need is more props, and greater cover in the halves and centres.
As for O'Loughlin, his day is well past. Hard to see what he offers except for a couple of penalties for head-high tackles. Maguire should certainly be in there on form, and he can be an old head to steer a team around the pitch as well as anybody.
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| If McNamara plays Matty Smith at 7 ahead of Luke Gale then it really is all about club colours.
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| Few stand outs that shouldn't be anywhere near the England squad in Cudjoe, Farrell, Smith & Westwood.
Outside of that it's a strong looking squad.
Is Shenton unavailable for selection? Because Cudjoe over him is pretty laughable if not.
McGuire for Smith
Cuthbertson for Westwood
Shenton for Cudjoe
Watts for Farrell
Would make the squad much better.
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| Quote: Biff Tannen "very surprising Cuthbertson isn't included.He brings far more to the table than Ferres who hasn't been great this year.'"
He's Australian !
He's been around for 10 years or more and wanted to play Origin and rep for Australia. In those 10 years he never felt patriotic enough to say he was available for England because he's not English.
Now, in the twighlight of his career when Origin and Australia are never going to happen he suddenly feels English.
Nope, not for me!
Apart from that, in the second half of the season his form hasn't been good enough!
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| Quote: Gronk! "Few stand outs that shouldn't be anywhere near the England squad in Cudjoe, Farrell, Smith & Westwood.
Outside of that it's a strong looking squad.
Is Shenton unavailable for selection? Because Cudjoe over him is pretty laughable if not.'"
Cudjoes been in outstanding form both in defence and attack
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| Quote: The Avenger "He's Australian !
He's been around for 10 years or more and wanted to play Origin and rep for Australia. In those 10 years he never felt patriotic enough to say he was available for England because he's not English.
Now, in the twighlight of his career when Origin and Australia are never going to happen he suddenly feels English.
Nope, not for me!
Apart from that, in the second half of the season his form hasn't been good enough!'"
I shouldn't have to go into again but i will, his father is England so that entitles him to play for England or Australia.End of.Mcnamara has made no qualms about selecting non english players in the past,some far more non english than Cuthbertson so we can only assume he has deemed him not good enough,hence my surprise.
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| Quote: Biff Tannen "I shouldn't have to go into again but i will, his father is England so that entitles him to play for England or Australia.End of.Mcnamara has made no qualms about selecting non english players in the past,some far more non english than Cuthbertson so we can only assume he has deemed him not good enough,hence my surprise.'"
I'm not bothered about his eligibility under the current rules, I'm more interested in maintaining the integrity of the honour which should come from representing your Nation!
Someone who clearly sees England as his second choice shouldn't be considered. My opinion is that he's Australian and therefore I don't want him in the England team, same as Chase, Heighington etc.
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| Quote: Nothus "If McNamara plays Matty Smith at 7 ahead of Luke Gale then it really is all about club colours.'"
He won't, he will play Widdop at 7 and Tomkins at 6, you know, because Tomkins has had a truly superb season and fully deserves to be in the squad..........
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| Quote: The Avenger "He's Australian !
He's been around for 10 years or more and wanted to play Origin and rep for Australia. In those 10 years he never felt patriotic enough to say he was available for England because he's not English.
Now, in the twighlight of his career when Origin and Australia are never going to happen he suddenly feels English.
Nope, not for me!
Apart from that, in the second half of the season his form hasn't been good enough!'"
Well said.
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| Looking at that squad I'm in full agreement that it looks unbalanced.
Only 2 centres suggests either Hardaker or Bateman have been picked as a centres. The big worry is not enough props. IMO there should be a minimum 5 in the squad.
I think we should be building towards the four nations next year and the next World Cup. For that reason I wouldn't have Westwood or O'loughlin in. I don't think Smith's form has warranted selection, neither do the Wigan fans after a quick read of their forum. I think he's been selected because McNamara was happy with him in internationals last year rather than just because he plays for Wigan as some suggest.
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| Genuinely surprised that there is no Liam Watts. He would be better to have in the squad that Westwood, considering the lack of props.
Can't believe Smith is still getting selected. He didn't seem to do anything last night, besides a few errors.
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