I think the one everyone keeps bringing up was the one on Tilse, not the one you have shown.

We have to stop the players using force in these situations. There's no need for it. All they need to is wrap up the legs, there's no need for any force. If they want to use force then they should go waist or higher to avoid injury. For me, when held upright, the ball carrier is in a vulnerable position like a kicker and should be afforded some protection. If they just wrap up the legs then there's no issue.

It's not about "eliminating contact", if you want to make significant contact then get there as first or 2nd defender and put a good shot in.
It's about eliminating sh|thouse contact that isn't necessary, is only designed to injure, and is cowardly.

It wasn't as bad as Chase's. Or anywhere near as bad as the chicken wing tackle he did on Crabtree earlier this year. That was bad, the way he kept pushing at the joint to apply more and more pressure. How he only got 2 games for that is beyond me!

Grow up. I started the thread and didn't mention any of the Wigan tackles, or Wigan as a club at all, so not sure why you feel the need to be so aggressive in defending it.

I don't care where the hit is if below the waist, what direction it's from or what the current rule is. I want any sort of impact on the legs when the upper body is held banned. It is the responsibility of the tacklers to ensure the player isn't maimed during the tackle. With spear tackles, it's the tacklers responsibility and the rules are clear. Why not with these types of tackles? Again, I don't care what the current definition of a cannonball tackle is, it's pretty clear it's dangerous and very soon we're going to see a player lose his career or his mobility and the rules will be changed.

Just change the rules so that if the upper body is held, you can only grab the legs. Put the responsibility on the tackler to ensure the upper body isn't delivered to the floor in an unnatural direction. I'll discuss the Powell tackle while you are so keen to claim it's okay. In that situation, upper body is held. Powell drives into the thighs, as mentioned it's not a classic cannonball because it's not on the knees. But it still drives the legs forward and the upper body cannot follow as it's held. So you risk the situation of the upper body collapsing down and ruining the knee joints or worse still the spine. On this issue I'm not campaigning against Wigan, although it was Maguire who brought it to this country and Wane has a responsibility to eradicate rather than continue to coach it, because other sides do it as well. It needs to stop before the severe injury, not after it.

Can you not see it would be a good idea if these kind of challenges weren't happening?

I'd like to see a ban on all intentional contact with the legs of a defender who is held standing up.

It completely eliminates the risk and it will also speed up the game.

I was always told to get good shoulder contact to ribs/kidneys if a man was held up in the tackle. Time to go back to this way of deliberately trying to injure an opponent?

What level did you play at?

He played for Wigan

Sounds a drastic change to the rules of the game. Seems to me just using the current NRL guidelines would do the job.

As I've said many times before - the ruck is a mess; the lunatics have taken over the asylum and the wardens appear unable, or unwilling, to take back control. As a result, the game has become slow, frustrating and unpleasant to watch. I imagine it's not much fun to play either, when you're the victim of a gang tackle where two blokes hook their arms under yours to hold you up, and one or more come barrelling in to smash your knees and ankles in all sorts of unnatural directions.

This is a simple matter of playing within the spirit, not just the rules, of the game; the former Wigan coach introduced a style of play to SL that was designed to injure opposition players - particularly in the tackle; Shaun Wane has carried on that approach, and it's spread to other clubs because it hasn't been dealt with - it's an unchecked arms race at present and will end in disaster - at least a personal disaster for one or more players.

For my money, the RFL needs to hold an urgent summit and get right across this, so that coaches, players and fans can be made fully aware of what is, and isn't, acceptable in terms of contact; if that means a spate of sin-binnings for a few weeks after they press go - tough - that's the coaches and players fault.

I think we should ban tackling all together, that's the only way we'll completely eliminate the chance of players getting injured.

Well, they changed the rule slightly, after ratchford was took out in the grandfinal '13, but they've never really enforced it unless someone has been ridiculously blatant(like rangi was). It really does seem like they're waiting and leaving it until their hand is forced.

This crap about its ok as long as its from behind because the knees bend that way, its excusing foul play, seeing someone collapse backwards with two or three players on top of them, unable to break their own fall and with someone underneath them is just as unpleasant and painful to watch as someone coming in third man putting the shoulder to the knee join from the side, or snapping the pole as i believe it's known around Orrell way.

It's a house tactic no matter what. And it wants eradicating from the game.

Spot on

I don't see anyone calling for the complete elimination of any chance of injury; injuries are part and parcel of a fast contact sport and RL players accept and deal with that, as do many other sportsmen and women.

What I'm advocating is that the governing body deal with the grubby, thugby league mentality that has spread outwards from Wigan and been allowed to infect the sport. The ruck is a total free for all and attacking players are not being safeguarded by the officials; it's a matter of time before there's a catastrophic injury as a result of gang-tackling, and that will have been entirely preventable.

If the RFL need a reminder as to why they should deal with it, they need only look at Alex McKinnon. It's clear that so long as they are allowed, certain coaches will continue to instil a house, win at all costs mentality in their players - so stop allowing them, and balls to the ensuing whining and moaning when people are penalised; even Shaun Wane can work out that if those tactics are not creating an advantage, it's time to change them.

OTT hysteria for me. The game is infinitley cleaner than it was. I doubt even Wane tells his players to literally 'go out & break his f-cking jaw', which I heard many times as a player. There are occasional bad tackles, as you say spread from Wigan. But these are picked up by the review panel.