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| Quote: JB Down Under "Yeh great idea, and lets have a 4 club SL. Better bet would be to allow a marquee signing, any player as much as you like, one per club.
If you wanted to boost wages you could also add in 3rd party allowance ie clubs who can attract corporate support to pay players can spend more
thirdly to counteract big clubs signing everyone you could have a home grown allowance meaning clubs that produce their own and invest in jnr development can pay their home grown players more.
Reality is 80% of clubs can't afford to pay more than they are doing and we arent losing heaps of talent out of SL.
If you wanted to ensure clubs didnt throw all their money at the top and neglect development of English players you could have a 75-25 incentive. For every 75 pound spent on jnr programs you can spend an extra 25 pounds on your salary cap.'"
that isn't the reality at all. If 80% of clubs were spending exactly the amount they could under the SC it would be an insane coincidence.
The reality is we are losing the best talent out of SL. Tomkins, Eastmond, Graham, 3x Burgess, would be 6 of the 10 best players in SL were they here. The other reality is that the salary cap has got precisely nothing to do with how much teams can afford. It is an arbitrary figure that bears no relationship at all to affordability. The RFL themselves came out earlier in the year crowing about how it was time for SL clubs to spend more, that some super stars were affordable. The true reality is that SL is made up of some clubs who cannot afford to be there with the cap as it is now.
The cap is solely a tool to hold back the top clubs and transfer the financial risk from owners to players.
Homegrown exemptions etc have nothing to do with affordability, 300k is no more affordable for a player you developed than one you didn't.
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| In a P+R league where there are next to no demands on facilities or youth development or any of the other demands for long term investment the game needs, a Salary Cap is entirely out of place.
In fact, I think it is pretty immoral. IF we place no demands on owners to invest in the long term development of the game then we shouldn't protect them from their own idiocy and we certainly shouldn't limit a players earning potential for the profitability of clubs who have in their wisdom voted to have 0 responsibility to the wider game.
If clubs, as they have voted, want the only deciding factor for their progression to be the side they put on the field, then the players that make up that side should have the market decide their value, not a cap on salaries.
What we have right now is the massively hypocritical and exploitative situation where the RFL and clubs are telling us that it is 'unfair' to have demands that a club get a decent stadium, or decent fan base and all the other demands that were there under franchising, and that the only deciding factor in a clubs progression is their results, yet those responsible for those results should have their earnings limited to an agreed level by a cooperating cabal, so that those self same clubs who didn't invest in a decent stadium, haven't grown their fanbase and haven't put in place a sustainable business model can afford to compete.
We should have the simplest rule, if you don't want your business to be run for the good of the game, then the game will not protect you from your own greed or the intrinsic limits in your business. No franchising, no high minimum standards, no additional demands in terms of investment in to the club, no salary cap. Its not up to the players to prop up your failing business you refuse to invest in.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "In a P+R league where there are next to no demands on facilities or youth development or any of the other demands for long term investment the game needs, a Salary Cap is entirely out of place.
In fact, I think it is pretty immoral. IF we place no demands on owners to invest in the long term development of the game then we shouldn't protect them from their own idiocy and we certainly shouldn't limit a players earning potential for the profitability of clubs who have in their wisdom voted to have 0 responsibility to the wider game.
If clubs, as they have voted, want the only deciding factor for their progression to be the side they put on the field, then the players that make up that side should have the market decide their value, not a cap on salaries.
What we have right now is the massively hypocritical and exploitative situation where the RFL and clubs are telling us that it is 'unfair' to have demands that a club get a decent stadium, or decent fan base and all the other demands that were there under franchising, and that the only deciding factor in a clubs progression is their results, yet those responsible for those results should have their earnings limited to an agreed level by a cooperating cabal, so that those self same clubs who didn't invest in a decent stadium, haven't grown their fanbase and haven't put in place a sustainable business model can afford to compete.
We should have the simplest rule, if you don't want your business to be run for the good of the game, then the game will not protect you from your own greed or the intrinsic limits in your business. No franchising, no high minimum standards, no additional demands in terms of investment in to the club, no salary cap. Its not up to the players to prop up your failing business you refuse to invest in.'"
The "game" would love no regulation, but the lack of regulation will mean no game in a very short period.
The current "top clubs" take all scenario, in this country, does the game no favours at all, it just moves the deckchairs on a sinking ship around.
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6679_1399761959.png [quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
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| Remove the cap and you essentially kill the professional game in the UK inside 10 years and in Australia within 20.
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| Quote: gutterfax "Remove the cap and you essentially kill the professional game in the UK inside 10 years and in Australia within 20.'"
Fear: for when logic and reason have deserted you.
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| Quote: gutterfax "Remove the cap and you essentially kill the professional game in the UK inside 10 years and in Australia within 20.'"
How do you know what would happen? You don't so don't go on like your an expert on how clubs are run.
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6679_1399761959.png [quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
[quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Fear
The three pillars of sales are Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. Create any or all of these and you will make a sale.
British Rugby League pre-superleague involved Wigan winning most things and other clubs going bust trying to match them. Remove the Salary cap and the game will become even more reliant on TV cash and benefactors. Leeds are probably the best run RL club in the northern Hemisphere, but if you let Marwan and Lenegan loose with their cheque books, it'll be back to the late 80's as quick as a flash....nice crowds for some, but bankruptcy for most.
The NRL already has clubs over-reaching to pay players more. The TV deal is becoming their own particular brand of opiate, with the idea of 4 quarter games being touted to allow for more adverts......
...yeah, let's put the lunatics in charge of the asylum. It won't end badly, I promise
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| Quote: gutterfax "The three pillars of sales are Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. Create any or all of these and you will make a sale.
British Rugby League pre-superleague involved Wigan winning most things and other clubs going bust trying to match them. Remove the Salary cap and the game will become even more reliant on TV cash and benefactors. Leeds are probably the best run RL club in the northern Hemisphere, but if you let Marwan and Lenegan loose with their cheque books, it'll be back to the late 80's as quick as a flash....nice crowds for some, but bankruptcy for most.
The NRL already has clubs over-reaching to pay players more. The TV deal is becoming their own particular brand of opiate, with the idea of 4 quarter games being touted to allow for more adverts......
Ian Len
...yeah, let's put the lunatics in charge of the asylum. It won't end badly, I promise
Ian Lenegan has made tens of millions of pounds, so have Eamonn McManus and Ken Davy. Paul Caddick, Simon Moran and Marwan Koukash have made hundreds of millions of pounds. I trust them to run their business, to negotiate individually with players. I don't think they need an added advantage in negotiating with them.
Im confident that Carl Ablett is not some business Svengali and he isn't going to bankrupt them. Im sure they don't need protecting from his outstanding negotiating techniques, I think they can keep a lid on things.
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6679_1399761959.png [quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
[quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Ian Lenegan has made tens of millions of pounds, so have Eamonn McManus and Ken Davy. Paul Caddick, Simon Moran and Marwan Koukash have made hundreds of millions of pounds.'"
I have 2 words for you[size. DAVID HUGHES [/size
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| Quote: gutterfax "I have 2 words for you[size. DAVID HUGHES [/size
Pssst.......... the salary cap didn't do anything to help him, his problem wasn't being outsmarted by players asking for too much money.
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6679_1399761959.png [quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow]
[quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png |
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| Quote: Mike87 "How do you know what would happen? You don't so don't go on like your an expert on how clubs are run.'"
Indeed. That said, given the amount of debt that most clubs are laden with, I would hazard a guess at "BADLY" as a description of how clubs are run.
With relegation back in the mix and the fiscal consequence of dropping down, clubs at the wrong end of the table would overspend in a desperate spending frenzy to avoid the drop. Clubs like Wakey, castleford, Hull KR etc would be forced to either pay the salaries that Salford can offer or miss out on players and dice with the drop.
Our TV deal is about 20 million a year.......we can't afford to play soccer type monopoly.
Quote: Mike87 "Pssst.......... the salary cap didn't do anything to help him, his problem wasn't being outsmarted by players asking for too much money.'"
Psssst.....just pointing out that being good at making money doesn't always translate to knowing how to run a club.
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| Quote: gutterfax "Indeed. That said, given the amount of debt that most clubs are laden with, I would hazard a guess at "BADLY" as a description of how clubs are run.
With relegation back in the mix and the fiscal consequence of dropping down, clubs at the wrong end of the table would overspend in a desperate spending frenzy to avoid the drop. Clubs like Wakey, castleford, Hull KR etc would be forced to either pay the salaries that Salford can offer or miss out on players and dice with the drop.
Our TV deal is about 20 million a year.......we can't afford to play soccer type monopoly.
Psssst.....just pointing out that being good at making money doesn't always translate to knowing how to run a club.'"
They won't be forced to pay anything? If they don't have the money they shouldn't pau it simple as that, it's the old case of if I put my hand in the fire.
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| Salford went through that for years and years before the salary cap and so did other teams? Why is this generation any differently that's sport for you.
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