Can't remember if he had a good game against you but he's been good and bad in equal measure, some awful games and can't get through a game without throwing stupid passes on the 1st tackle or in our own 20m. In my opinion he's been the weak link in our pack and the one I'm not disappointed to see leaving. I think he'll be luck to make our cup final team.

Yes, Cas are having a great season, but 9 of their players in your 17?!

1. Hardaker

2. Makinson
3. Shenton
4.
5. Carney

6. Sneyd
7. Walsh

8. Hill/Huby
9. Clark
10. Peacock

11. Millington
12. Whitehead
13. Westerman

I really couldn't think of a second stand-out centre . . . . .

Both Hill and Huby have been outstanding this year, I couldn't split them.

From a club perspective, Gareth Ellis has been excellent for us this year, I'd like to think he wouldn't be far away from a place in the back-row.

Bowen
Carney
Shenton
Moon
Monaghan
Burns/Sneyd
Walsh
Hill
Clarke
Peacock
Whitehead
Bateman
Westerman

1. Hardaker
2. Carney
3. Watkins
4. Monaghan
5. Hall
6. Sinfield
7. Walsh
8. Huby
9. Clark
10. Peacock
11. Bateman
12. Whitehead
13. O'Loughlin

1. Hardaker
2. Carney
3. Shenton
4. Moon
5. Monaghan
6. Smith
7. Walsh
8. Hill
9. Roby
10. Peacock
11. Bateman
12. Whitehead
13. Westerman

Others who are very close:
Bowen
Hall
Makinson
Sneyd
Burns
Brown
Huby
Clark
Millington
O'Loughlin
Ablett

Also been very impressed with Mariano. Looked big, strong and fast.

No way will Roby get in the dream team ahead of Clark.

Why? Roby is one of the few genuinely world class players still in Super League - he's had a "quiet year" relative to usual, yet still had a hand in 24 of saints tries (5 tries 19 assists) compared to 18 Clark has had, made 1063 tackles, missing 31 compared to Clarks 685 tackles and 31 misses and made 2612 metres compared to Clarks 2637 metres. He is our only senior playmaker left, and has single handedly carried us at times.

Clark has had a great year no doubt, but he's not head and shoulders above Roby to so arrogantly assume he automatically gets in ahead of Roby...

Not much to split Robes and Clarke this year, and its good that theres competition for every place. From Saints, Roby and Makinson probably our only contenders. Amor would probably have walked in if he hadnt been out for a few months, he's been immense. Same for Walsh.

You have chosen those stats well, you didn't mention try's, tackle busts, average gain and clean breaks, all of which Clark is miles ahead. Roby is a great hooker, but Clark has been streets ahead of him and all other hookers this year. Should be Man of Steel IMO.

^ correct.

I mentioned tries combined with assists - creating tries is as important to spine players as scoring them - to which its 5:19 to Roby and 12:6 to Clark, Tackles and metres made, the 3 most important stats surely? If a prop makes a 50 metre break and does nothing else all game, is he better or worse than a prop who takes it in 10 times but only makes 5 metres per carry? Both are equal in stats, the fans are more drawn to the 1 spectacular run, and every coach would rather have a player who puts his hand up.

In essence, tackle busts, average gain and clean breaks are all built into the metres made (of which they are equal minus 20 metres) - its easier to look explosive when your doing half the work. There was no creative accounting of stats - just the stats all the rest feed into - I suppose errors (13:17) and penalties (4:11) could count in factoring as well...

1. Bowen
2. Makinson
3. Shenton
4. Gelling
5. Monaghan
6. Burns
7. Walsh/Smith
8. Hill
9. Clark
10. Peacock
11. Whitehead
12. Soliola
13. Westerman

Was a bit of a struggle for a centre other than Shenton, but Gelling has really developed at Wigan this year and gone from a bit of a joke player to a player who looks dangerous every time he gets ball and think he is the "best of the rest" for me.

Walsh has looked the classiest half back in SL when he has been fit, but think he may have missed too many games to be included. Behind him, Matty Smith has had a very good year at Wigan and should be partnering Widdop in halves for England at end of year (although this sadly wont happen with McBanana in charge)