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Anyone who's attended a recent final knows that the official attendances do not reflect the number of people sat in the stadium watching the game.

I was at Wigan v Leeds, 12000 empty seats? Yeah and the rest.

Club Wembley are counted in the total, which is why you get more empty seats than the total suggests. They are 10 year debentures I think, so they are due to come up?

Saints fans love a day out.

Or might just be that En-ger-land are kicking off versus Uruguay at 8 in the Footie.....

I was at wire hudds, felt a lot less then 76k

I work in the motor trade. If tomorrow I sell ten new cars, one of which the customer puts away in the garage with no intention of using, should I only put nine towards my sales figures?

Whoooosh.

8 weeks between QF and semi.

2 weeks between semi and final.

Morons.

All west coast mainline services will be terminating (ironically) at Rugby on Cup Final day, so I would suggest finding alternative means of transports if you live in Lancashire.

That was my point.

I recognise the point you're trying to make, however noting that the capacity of the Millenium Stadium is 74,500 and CC crowds there were 71k, 73k and 74k, which represented a greater perecentage of full capacity against the 90k capacity of Wembley finals.

One thing I'd do to try and revitalise the cup final and to get more neutrals is allow the amateur clubs to sell tickets and keep 50% of the sales.

It could be tried as a two or three year experiment. If it succeeds the revenue to the RFL won't be hit and the amateur game gets a boost. If it fails the revenue to the RFL won't take a disastrous hit. Give it three years to see if the old tradition of attending the cup final can be restored.