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| The Dulls shafted a lot of people over the last two years,it's time for them to suck it up and deal with it.
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| Quote: Durham Giant "I can live with whatever the RFL decide
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if there is any change in the penalty i would want to know why as well as the exact details of what has changed.
It is a relagation year and it needs to be very very clear why something led to a change to the original decision'"
But do we know why they got 6 and not 2 or 4 in the first place?
The second information is useless without the first.
They could simply say the wrong penalty was impossed or money has been paid back. Therefore the penalty has been reduced. It means nothing without knowing why they got 6 points and not less in the first place.
Aslo we may want to know the exact details, but that means diddly, they don't have to tell us anything. Joe public will just have to suck it up. PR wise it would be far better to have these rules set in stone and non-discretionary, that way everyone know before hand what will happen..
No need to wait or have appeals
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| Personally wouldnt have a problem if we kept the -6, going into admin twice in two years isn't really acceltable. But I'm not going to be there at the hearing and wasn't there at the series of meetings when we went into admin, so hard to comment. Only way we will get all 6 back is if the independent review fine it was all the RFL's fault and admin could have been avoided. But that's just not going to happen.
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| They really need to just accept what was given to them. This season of all seasons it will be very hard on any team who goes down if they are less than 6 points behind Bradford. They took money from people to survive, they've gone into admin twice. They should count themselves lucky and just concentrate on overcoming the points deduction, which at this stage isn't impossible.
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| Its the lies and deceit by a number of people, over a long period of time that should see the club punished with 6 points, more than going in to administration. A club that played on peoples emotions and helped push people in to selling medals etc like Brian Mcdermott in to thinking they was saving the club. A club that has lied and cheated its way over a period of time. The club is lucky to be in SL and should be made an example of so that other clubs both now and in the future know that such actions will not be tolerated and will see clubs face harsh punishments.6 Points deduction is way too light after the way the Bulls have carried on over a number of years.
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| Quote: obeone "The Dulls shafted a lot of people over the last two years,it's time for them to suck it up and deal with it.'"
Hows it go now?
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "
I put the question in this way in the hope that our thicker contributors might at least consider that the simple act of being in administration is not, necessarly, such an evil thing that it requires huge punishment.
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No your right it is the desired state for any business to be in.
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "The question is stupid. If a team goes into administration, let´s imagine bacuse the HMRC are about to close it down, and then over the next year or two sort their finances out, so nobody loses a penny WHY should they face any points penalty at all?
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Because someone will lost out. Otherwise what's point going into admin, and, why would the buyer not buy the club prior to it going into admin to avoid any penalty if he/she was going to pay off the debts.
Someone, somewhere is going to lose out and so there should be a penalty.
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| Quote: Fully "Because someone will lost out. Otherwise what's point going into admin, and, why would the buyer not buy the club prior to it going into admin to avoid any penalty if he/she was going to pay off the debts.
Someone, somewhere is going to lose out and so there should be a penalty.'"
Cart before horse. The penalty should reflect the circumstances and especially how much any loss is going to be. The immediate point of admin is often to obtain temporary protection usually from one pressing creditor. Then either a deal is done, which the maj of creditors agree, and the company is saved, or a prrpsck is done where typically creditors lose out.
If you just have one fixed penalty for the simple fact of going into admin, THEN no creditors in this situation are likely to be paid, as what would be the point, from the new owners POV? All I am saying us you need to look at the overall result of the admin event, it's surely much more relevant. Not all administrations are equal. The penalty surely should reflect that.
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| Even if you reduce the points deduction for paying off debts,a club still needs to be a left with enough of a points deduction to make it not worth the risk of going into administration in the first place
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Not all administrations are equal.'"
True.
Which was better...your first or second admin in two years?
I liked the first one. The second lacked bleeding hearts, buckets and medal donations.
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| Quote: dboy "True.
Which was better...your first or second admin in two years?
I liked the first one. The second lacked bleeding heart, buckets and medal donations.'"
LOL
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| Poll seems pretty damned conclusive.
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| Quote: dboy "True.
Which was better...your first or second admin in two years?
I liked the first one. The second lacked bleeding hearts, buckets and medal donations.'"
I have never been put into administration.
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "I have never been put into administration.'"
Have you ever had somebody take goods off you, then go into administration, meaning they dont have to pay you, only for them to ring you up a few days later requesting you to supply their ' new ' company as if nothing had happened?
Guess what? , it stinks
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