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| Quote: Wytchfynder General "As an FC fan it is not often (if ever) I agree with Neil Hudgell, but on this occasion he's absolutely bang on the money. [i The sad thing is that he'll likely get no support from his fellow chairmen or directors of other clubs[/i, the players union will say nowt and the fans will be completely ignored or at best passed off as not understanding the game........'"
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As our club chairman Hudgel has usualy voiced his concerns for the game, somtimes I wish he would not but on this occasion he is spot on.
Is the RFL disciplinary board for super League the same as the lower divisions & amatuer teams? if so I am not suprised. I was once involved in a hearing for an amatuer side were we had video evidance that proved the ref was not only wrong but the offence had not even happened (striking an oponant) They would not watch it or accept the oposition coaches writen report saying that it had not happened, since I have never had anything but contempt for the system. It is not fit for purpose.
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The Whiting tackle was worse in my view, although Poore was an idiot as well and deserved the ban he got, it's just a shame the disciplinary panel have not been consistent once again, someone should have copped a ban for the Whiting tackle.
Whether or not it's true, the view is that a player is treated according to the club he plays for and his standing in the game, not for the incident he is up for.
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Consistently inconsistent is the phrase id use
As for that Blake Solly statement, it makes him seem an even bigger pompous (insert expletive here) than i first thought. Absolutely baffling.
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There is an easy solution to this.
Players should not foul other players and learn how to tackle. They may then not be penalised and brought before the panel.
A bit radical but you never know some players may learn!
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| Quote: Leaguefan "There is an easy solution to this.
Players should not foul other players and learn how to tackle. They may then not be penalised and brought before the panel.
A bit radical but you never know some players may learn!'" Do you work for the RFL? as they didn't really answer the points made either. |
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'when my life is over, the thing which will have given me greatest pride is that I was first to plunge into the sea, swimming freely underwater without any connection to the terrestrial world'
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| Quote: Leaguefan "There is an easy solution to this.
Players should not foul other players and learn how to tackle. They may then not be penalised and brought before the panel.
A bit radical but you never know some players may learn!'"
Most stuff at disciplinaries are not acts carried on purpose, the RFL have just gone over the top recently. Where clear intent is shown (gouging or biting) we should give more RU type bans, but I'm sorry a bit of old fashioned biff is nothing. |
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| Quote: FLAG EDGE TOUCH ""It is time the match review panel stood aside as they are not fit for purpose.
This week whilst Justin Poore was cited and suspended for 3 weeks for a dangerous throw, three Widnes players received cautions for a dangerous throw on Richard Whiting. I invite anyone to review footage of both, and point out the difference.
I believe the throw on Richard Whiting is far worse, yet when being questioned, the review panel explanation was that as they couldn't spot the culprit, all escaped with a caution. On Twitter last night, even the referees considered it was an incident possibly worthy of a red card.
In a week when a player in Australia suffered a serious neck injury, this reasoning is without logic, damaging and irresponsible. It brings the game into disrepute and challenges the whole integrity of the competition. It is infuriating and demoralising to us as a club to be on the receiving end of a flurry of these decisions. We have tried to deal with them in an appropriate manner, behind closed doors, but the same mistakes continue to be made.
It is six weeks into the season and we have already been on the wrong end of three inconsistent decisions. I do not have an issue with my players being cited for infringements if we are dealt with consistently. But that has not happened, as acknowledged by the RFL as recently as two weeks ago.
Justin Poore was cited for Grade B punching at Huddersfield, whilst a Giants’ player was not cited, even though the panel later acknowledged they had missed this player throwing three punches. Another Giants’ player was cited for a Grade A single punch and escaped suspension, but when it was pointed out to the panel multiple punches had been thrown they admitted to also having missed that.
In the same week a Catalans player ran after an opponent at Castleford to throw a punch and escaped with a sin bin. Kris Welham was cited for a head butt in round 3, whilst a head butt by a Salford player the same week was overlooked. When later pointed out to the panel, it was acknowledged as worse and that when contact was pointed out to them on video that it was "missed".
A leading international player this week avoided censure for repeated punching in the tackle, shown live on Sky Sports.
Only a change in personnel, I believe, is capable of effecting the right change, and I call on the executive of the RFL to do that before a player suffers serious injury as a result of their inaction. I fully expect the governing body to accuse me of bleating, and my simple answer to that is to ask them to review the incidents identified above and provide a clear explanation for their actions. Instead of attacking the symptoms they need to tackle the cause, which sadly is lack of knowledge, understanding and core competence.
We certainly as a club aren't alone in expressing these frustrations, and I share fans’ disillusionment which is becoming an increasingly regular feature on social media. Sadly those views systematically fail to register highly enough in our game, as they were ignored when the whole restructure of the game was under review. The same can be said of the players as a group.
I also share the views of Adam Pearson on aspects of the disciplinary panel process. There are too many members sitting with vested interests, lack of knowledge, and an arrogant, high handed ‘holier than thou’ attitude. I am fed up of walking into the panel hearings and leaving with a sense of having sat talking to the wall, or being looked down on with the outcome stitched up long beforehand. We will certainly be making a formal complaint about the conduct of the panel chairman last night who disbarred an executive of this club when making submissions in respect of this case that he simply didn't like.
There are too many people with too little knowledge of the technical aspects of our game making decisions they are clueless about, ruining the spectacle of our game, bringing it into disrepute and driving people away from it."'"
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| Quote: FLAG EDGE TOUCH "The RFL has issued the following statement in response to recent criticism of the sport’s disciplinary systemsRFL Director of Standards and Licensing Blake Solly said'"
Complete cop out.
Go f*ck yourself solly. |
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| Quote: Leaguefan "There is an easy solution to this.
Players should not foul other players and learn how to tackle. They may then not be penalised and brought before the panel.
A bit radical but you never know some players may learn!'"
I see you've totally missed the point. Players do silly things from time to time they are human after all. What we'd want is for all humans to be punished consistently for the same things not one rule for one human and another rule for another human. |
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| Quote: Easty "I see you've totally missed the point. Players do silly things from time to time they are human after all. What we'd want is for all humans to be punished consistently for the same things not one rule for one human and another rule for another human.'"
I agree with that. It's that inconsistency, both with the disciplinary and reffing in general, that gets people annoyed.
Maybe when viewing incidents and making decisions on punishments the panel should view previous, similar incidents from that season and see what punishment was handed out then?
Like with the refereeing, law changes and interpretations on holding down etc I wish we would just decide what we want and then implement that for a set amount of time (say 3/5 seasons?) and then have a review to see what was good, what needs changing etc. instead of the constant change we seem to get.
In a slight bit of defence of the disciplinary, some people do get wound up for no reason. The recent Jordan Tansey ban for instance was slagged off on here because he got a different length of ban to Hock, yet I think everyone would agree that a players past record, be it good or bad, should be taken into account when deciding a ban. |
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If RL fans cant see that what Hudge said is correct then they deserve the sport to be as it is now, consistency isn't too much to ask is it for the game ??
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Quote: Him "I agree with that. It's that inconsistency, both with the disciplinary and reffing in general, that gets people annoyed.
Maybe when viewing incidents and making decisions on punishments the panel should view previous, similar incidents from that season and see what punishment was handed out then?
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But where do you start? Do you say from next week, we have no previous crimes, and will start to build a catalogue from now? Or do you take the current incidents from this year? I would argue there's been too many contradictions already. Nothing but a clean slate would be able to make this work, even then, no two incidents are ever gonna be the same. Any high/late challenge would simply point at Matt Bowen in round 1, and there'd be no choice other than 0 games and a fine.
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Like with the refereeing, law changes and interpretations on holding down etc I wish we would just decide what we want and then implement that for a set amount of time (say 3/5 seasons?) and then have a review to see what was good, what needs changing etc. instead of the constant change we seem to get.
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This is inconsistent for me, given there are many on this board who will constantly praise the NRL for it's innovation, slowing down our interpretation will just double those NRL gazers. Of course it's ridiculous that we even have 2 different bodies using separate rules - in an ideal world the RLIF would be the ones passing down the "innovations" each year, for which the NRL and super league (and any other professional league that May one day exist) uses. Of course, we can't even get grassroots to international under the same organisation at the moment, so I'm not holding my breath.
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In a slight bit of defence of the disciplinary, some people do get wound up for no reason. The recent Jordan Tansey ban for instance was slagged off on here because he got a different length of ban to Hock, yet I think everyone would agree that a players past record, be it good or bad, should be taken into account when deciding a ban.'"
In my personal opinion, a lot of people seem to be accusing the rfl/ disciplinary system a lot of things. The accusations of having an agenda seem a bit silly to me - what agenda could possibly be gained through this system? Surprisingly, the piece from sky sum up how I feel on the matter as a whole: yes there are inconsistencies, and yes, more details into the process of "sentencing" would be nice - but there isn't some evil plot to take down <insert team who lost and feel aggrieved the ref penalised them here> - the sky piece:
www1.skysports.com/watch/video/t ... -many-bans?
Refs in all sports make mistakes (anyone who saw Chelsea vs Arsenal knows that) and I would fully agree the standard of reffing is poor at the moment, but it's not in favour of anyone. Mistakes tend to balance out over the season and no team loses because of the ref (they don't miss the tackles etc) - no matter what they do, refs are gonna get accused of everything under the sun, it's part of being a fan. |
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Quote: Him "I agree with that. It's that inconsistency, both with the disciplinary and reffing in general, that gets people annoyed.
Maybe when viewing incidents and making decisions on punishments the panel should view previous, similar incidents from that season and see what punishment was handed out then?
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But where do you start? Do you say from next week, we have no previous crimes, and will start to build a catalogue from now? Or do you take the current incidents from this year? I would argue there's been too many contradictions already. Nothing but a clean slate would be able to make this work, even then, no two incidents are ever gonna be the same. Any high/late challenge would simply point at Matt Bowen in round 1, and there'd be no choice other than 0 games and a fine.
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Like with the refereeing, law changes and interpretations on holding down etc I wish we would just decide what we want and then implement that for a set amount of time (say 3/5 seasons?) and then have a review to see what was good, what needs changing etc. instead of the constant change we seem to get.
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This is inconsistent for me, given there are many on this board who will constantly praise the NRL for it's innovation, slowing down our interpretation will just double those NRL gazers. Of course it's ridiculous that we even have 2 different bodies using separate rules - in an ideal world the RLIF would be the ones passing down the "innovations" each year, for which the NRL and super league (and any other professional league that May one day exist) uses. Of course, we can't even get grassroots to international under the same organisation at the moment, so I'm not holding my breath.
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In a slight bit of defence of the disciplinary, some people do get wound up for no reason. The recent Jordan Tansey ban for instance was slagged off on here because he got a different length of ban to Hock, yet I think everyone would agree that a players past record, be it good or bad, should be taken into account when deciding a ban.'"
In my personal opinion, a lot of people seem to be accusing the rfl/ disciplinary system a lot of things. The accusations of having an agenda seem a bit silly to me - what agenda could possibly be gained through this system? Surprisingly, the piece from sky sum up how I feel on the matter as a whole: yes there are inconsistencies, and yes, more details into the process of "sentencing" would be nice - but there isn't some evil plot to take down <insert team who lost and feel aggrieved the ref penalised them here> - the sky piece:
www1.skysports.com/watch/video/t ... -many-bans?
Refs in all sports make mistakes (anyone who saw Chelsea vs Arsenal knows that) and I would fully agree the standard of reffing is poor at the moment, but it's not in favour of anyone. Mistakes tend to balance out over the season and no team loses because of the ref (they don't miss the tackles etc) - no matter what they do, refs are gonna get accused of everything under the sun, it's part of being a fan. | |
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