Any system can work depending on who is driving the clubs in that system. There's examples of successes from both.

There are also examples of failures from both.

Let's just leave it at that, eh? It feels like déjà vu!

you have completely missed the point.

just proves my point even more.

Any system can work, providing the money is there to make it work, but bottom line is RL doesnt have it

At SL s inception the ' vision ' was big City Clubs in the ' Super Rugby ' ' NFL ' mould , with fans ripping up old aliegances and rivalries and supporting new mega clubs , by now it might have worked but a lot of fans would have walked away, that was the risk

So instead 6 years ago we had a poor attempt at introducing it, always doomed to fail, you cannot set minimum standards and criteria, the ignore them, your credibility goes straight out of the window

So now we are going to have something quite radical, that has been dumped or failed in other sports, but That doesnt mean it cant or wont work for us, ultimatly it is still down to individual clubs and how they perform OFF field that will decide how successful they are, not where they are located

Widnes are a positive of franchising. Bradford x2, Wakefield, Crusaders are an argument why it doesn't work.

Are they?

Bradford are a failure or management and governance.

Would Wakefield have been in any better position if under threat from relegation?

Would we have two thriving semi-pro sides in Wales if not for the leg up Crusaders gave the game there?

In 2009, Crusaders finished bottom, in 2010 they finished in the playoffs
In 2010 Les Catalans finished bottom in 2011 they finished in the play-offs,
In 2011 Crusaders finished bottom again and were relegated.
In 2012 Widnes finished bottom.
In 2013 Salford finished bottom.

Would any of those clubs have been better placed, would the game have been in any better position if those clubs had been relegated? Franchising was working.

I wouldn't say that there's any evidence to suggest that the reason these clubs went belly up is because of franchising, as opposed to the way the club was run.

unfortunately we need a safe enviroment to bring young players into the game at the top level, will clubs in fear of relegation take the time needed to integrate them into their team......probably not.

P & R is a backward step along with increasing the non-fed quota........

I would like to see any player under 21 not count on salary cap and under 23 only 50% of salary to count encourage teams who can afford it to go out and bring the young players through

Brilliant, so we have a season where Fev's only aim is to win 5 of the last 8 games, and the rest are irrelevant, thats what will get the sponsors interested and fans through the door.

22 game pre-season and 8 game season.

Its funny how easy championship fans think the step up will be. That all they need is a little extra money and they will be a competitive mid-lower SL side. When in reality we already know what a championship squad with a little extra money and a few extra players looks like. Leigh put 5 points on the board. Halifax ended with 0.

Wondered how long it would be before the local troll turned up


Funny how Superleague fans who have watched team be mismanaged for years believe its so hard.

you know what I mean, of course they will try and be competitive, but they dont need to try and win SL in one season.

Next you will be telling me that having a 3 year franchise is better because in your first season you dont have to spend like mad to stay in the league and you can build gradually - oh wait .....

i wonder if anybody told widnes that. it is obviously better and in 5 years all the championship clubs will be ed because they don't have a fair footing and can't gain promotion bar the odd cases. not mentioning the yo-yoing of average players.

yeah like Widnes, Like Salford, Like Les Catalans.

My team makes a profit, has won numerous titles with a squad built around young local players it developed, it owns its own stadium and has an average attendance larger than the entire village of Featherstone.

They arent mismanaged. They are managed very very well.

Your problem is that you need to believe that the worst of Super League is representative of the whole of Super League. It isnt. Being better than our worst, will not get you close to the likes of Widnes or Salford next year, never mind the likes of Les Catalans, Huddersfield, Leeds, Wigan, Saints, Warrington, Hull, Hull KR.

Featherstone first team now would probably have 20 points put on them by Leeds or Wigans 2nd team.

We have already seen the likes of Hardman, Briggs, Moore, James, Ellis, Crossley, Sharp, Dale, Saxton at SL level and they weren’t up to scratch. And these aren’t your Amor’s your Walmsley’s your Hill’s who were young and dropped out and came back a bit more mature. These are players at their peak and older. Fev's squad is probably at least 15 players away from being a competitive SL squad.

lol yeah leads are doing well and so is the fev contingent leeds dont have an average crowd of 18000. While on the subject of population then Fevs attendance per population is miles better than leeds

At least with the new system if a team does go up they will be worthy of it. Widnes the season they went up lost by an aggregate of over 90 points to fev. they had much more to make up to be competitive than a team winning it from 2015 will have to do.

Leeds are well managed currently another 13 teams in superleage, not all are well managed like leeds

End of the day I will wait and see, Im not gonna start using speculation and opinion as facts like you always do