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| Quote: SmokeyTA "And the short but sweet response would be
never made the wrong decision in life when being pressured? Show a sign of solidarity was the message from the previous meeting and all clubs agreed to it. Also your forgetting to mention the bribe the clubs received, hardly out smarted. But sure you can look at it in a blind manner if you like  .
if you had 12 IL running super league clubs we would be a hell of a lot stronger than we are at the moment.
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| Quote: dubairl "never made the wrong decision in life when being pressured? Show a sign of solidarity was the message from the previous meeting and all clubs agreed to it. Also your forgetting to mention the bribe the clubs received, hardly out smarted. But sure you can look at it in a blind manner if you like ![]()
The good dr didn't feel pressured into agreeing. He voted against and I respect his decision, even if I don't agree with it
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| Quote: dubairl "never made the wrong decision in life when being pressured? Show a sign of solidarity was the message from the previous meeting and all clubs agreed to it. Also your forgetting to mention the bribe the clubs received, hardly out smarted. But sure you can look at it in a blind manner if you like ![]()
Because of course the negotiating team at Sky sports are known for taking a calm collegiate approach to negotiations. 
If IL thinks that a meeting with Nigel Wood is a high pressure environment, then Barney Francis and the negotiating team and Sky Sports would eat him alive.
People don’t really have a problem with IL having a dissenting view, with him disagreeing with the deal but every reason and explanation he has given regarding his actions describe a person entirely incapable of doing the job he is criticising Nigel Wood for.
Contrary to popular belief im no great fan of Nigel Wood’s administration, I think he is making some huge mistakes. This isn’t one of them, this is a case of him doing a pretty good job and its difficult to find criticism of his negotiations with sky credible, when the one of the main voices making them couldn’t even negotiate with SL chairmen who were on his side.
Koukash comes out of this looking a hell of a lot better, at least he has the courage of his convictions and stood up to be counted.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "It does point out the benefit of being on a much wider viewing platform though. There are 6/7million people with sky sports, 2m with BT sports.
I think we can all guess where this thread will end up though, with a spreadsheet and a complaint that the RFL didn’t issue the same press release when some game is 3.1% down on last years viewing figures.'"
Ok, but that's about 6% of people with Sky watching RL and only 3.5% of people with BT watching Union. It's still showing RL is better at attracting a viewing audience. |
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Fantastic news this. The mere mention of Championship clubs coming back into the fold has already whetted the appetite of the public. Marvellous.
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| Quote: littlerich "Fantastic news this. The mere mention of Championship clubs coming back into the fold has already whetted the appetite of the public. Marvellous.'"
 Best stretch yet! |
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| Quote: roofaldo2 "Ok, but that's about 6% of people with Sky watching RL and only 3.5% of people with BT watching Union. It's still showing RL is better at attracting a viewing audience.'"
Well not really, because we aren’t single person households, so you wouldn’t start from 60/70m people, but 25million households,
its also unlikely that everyone could possibly, conceivably watch TV at the same time, there are going to be a few million working, on holiday, just generally busy at any one time anyway.
Its also unlikely that everyone would watch it on their own rather than in groups.
So its probably closer to 25% of households have access to Sky Sports and about 8% to BT sports. But that figure is still affected by the above
That figure is pretty much meaningless which is why you don’t often, except for huge events like the olympics opening ceremony or an England football World Cup game, find it expressed that way. Usually it will be expressed as an Audience Share, so the proportion of people watching tv at that time watching that programme. |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "
Contrary to popular belief im no great fan of Nigel Wood’s administration, I think he is making some huge mistakes. This isn’t one of them, this is a case of him doing a pretty good job and its difficult to find criticism of his negotiations with sky credible,
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So the facts are:
RL will get around £40m per year from 2017 for providing viewing figures of around 300k.
Meanwhile RU get just short of £51m per year NOW for providing viewing figures of around 65k. What were the RFU thinking inviting several tv companies to make bids?
Nigel has certainly socked it to BT and the RFU.
Meanwhile the French RU have around £60m per year for the next five years. The suckers played canal + against BeIn and others.
When will these RU lot learn? |
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Even when the RU was on Sky their figures were dwarfed by Super League (and often even beaten by Championship RL when that was on Sky)
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| Quote: JonB95 "Even when the RU was on Sky their figures were dwarfed by Super League (and often even beaten by Championship RL when that was on Sky)'"
Good point. So why are RL deals so much poorer than RU? |
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| Quote: Cripesginger "
Meanwhile RU get just short of £51m per year NOW for providing viewing figures of around 65k. What were the RFU thinking inviting several tv companies to make bids?
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No they don't. They're on less per year than the new Sky RL deal. |
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| Quote: Cripesginger "Good point. So why are RL deals so much poorer than RU?'"
They're not. |
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| Quote: Cripesginger "So the facts are
You think both RL and RU are on a pay per viewer basis? You think that’s how it is priced? That’s so naïve I wouldn’t know where to start.
Whats funny about this is you have used the example of French RU to back up your point, when in reality it absolutely destroys your own argument. BeIn sports were contemplating court action because FRU accepted a LOWER offer from Canal+ because they had a wider viewing platform.
And just a point order, the Premiership rugby deal isn’t worth £51m a year, it is a £152m a year deal for 4 years. That would be £38m a year. A proportion of that, thought to be about £20m is for a European competition, So that becomes £132m for 4 years, or £33m per year and it has caused huge problems in European Cup rugby and could possibly destroy the HC, as well as limiting exposure to about a quarter of ours. Frankly, for once, compared to our TV deal, the premiership Rugby one looks poor.
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Given the absence of a comparative Super League attendance thread on this forum in 2014, it's fantastic news that it is to be replaced by a SL TV audience thread oozing in weekly positivity. I am confident that such a thread shall prove attractive to all those who found it emotionally difficult to cope with the prospect of another SL attendance thread 
It is also fantastic news that the RFL are back in business again reporting the news on TV audiences for SL. It is to be hoped they are also back in business reporting news on SL attendances this season because they were conspicuous by their absence last year.
The quoted 353,000 Sky Sports 1 TV audience for last weeks Wigan V Huddersfield game is mightily impressive. However, the percentage increase figure in the RFL press release does raise a question... namely... it smashed all box office records by representing a 38% increase on the audience figure for the opening SL game last season between Leeds and Hull.
According to the figures at www.barb.co.uk, the TV audience on Sky Sports 1 for the Leeds V Hull opening SL game in 2013 was 188,000 therefore 353,000 must surely represent an 88% increase as opposed to a 38% increase? I'm sure that the RFL would be more than keen on reporting an 88% increase on last season as opposed to a more modest 38% increase?
It's also worth noting that the RFL had absolutely nothing to say about the TV audience on Sky for the opening SL game in 2013 between Leeds and Hull. Would that be because the TV audience figure of 188,000 was 25% less than the 251,000 tuning into the opening SL fixture of the season between Widnes and Wakefield in 2012?
I wonder if the RFL can confirm the source of their TV audience figure for the Leeds V Hull game in 2013 which would be around 256,000 (based upon 353,000 being a 38% increase on last year) when BARB's published audience figure was 188,000? |
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Given the absence of a comparative Super League attendance thread on this forum in 2014, it's fantastic news that it is to be replaced by a SL TV audience thread oozing in weekly positivity. I am confident that such a thread shall prove attractive to all those who found it emotionally difficult to cope with the prospect of another SL attendance thread
It is also fantastic news that the RFL are back in business again reporting the news on TV audiences for SL. It is to be hoped they are also back in business reporting news on SL attendances this season because they were conspicuous by their absence last year.
The quoted 353,000 Sky Sports 1 TV audience for last weeks Wigan V Huddersfield game is mightily impressive. However, the percentage increase figure in the RFL press release does raise a question... namely... it smashed all box office records by representing a 38% increase on the audience figure for the opening SL game last season between Leeds and Hull.
According to the figures at www.barb.co.uk, the TV audience on Sky Sports 1 for the Leeds V Hull opening SL game in 2013 was 188,000 therefore 353,000 must surely represent an 88% increase as opposed to a 38% increase? I'm sure that the RFL would be more than keen on reporting an 88% increase on last season as opposed to a more modest 38% increase?
It's also worth noting that the RFL had absolutely nothing to say about the TV audience on Sky for the opening SL game in 2013 between Leeds and Hull. Would that be because the TV audience figure of 188,000 was 25% less than the 251,000 tuning into the opening SL fixture of the season between Widnes and Wakefield in 2012?
I wonder if the RFL can confirm the source of their TV audience figure for the Leeds V Hull game in 2013 which would be around 256,000 (based upon 353,000 being a 38% increase on last year) when BARB's published audience figure was 188,000? | |
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