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Quote: salford1970 "Hock and Bailey are excellent examples of two players in the latter stages of their careers who may have bleak futures after retirement.

I can't see it being club responsibility to manage a transition into a new employment arena. Bailey is a good example in that Leeds might actually have something in place for long service players and Hock is an example where a player moves clubs and at this point who has the responsibility for him to develop other skills?

Both these lads are limited in skills (as far as I am aware) and if they haven't been looking into courses and getting placements for their next challenges they may come up short in being employable.

You hear of some players doing degrees and such and it is very encouraging that they recognise the need to self develop but I imagine most of them start in their late twenties/early thirties as it starts to hit home that they are not going to be able to play forever. What about those that don't have the gumption to understand this concept, these are ones who should be managed.

It would be very interesting to hear if the players unions are actively pushing advice onto players in how they can look after their future beyond the game.'"


The thing is, innate intelligence is like sporting prowess. You either have it or you don't.

We have always had players like Gaz Hock who, to put it delicately, aren't the 'sharpest tools in the box'. If they haven't got the wherewithal to start with, like in sport. If they aren't good enough, then your not in the team. That's life.

To put it another way, if you sent Gaz Hock to Manchester University, he will not come out with a degree.

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Quote: fleabag "To put it another way, if you sent Gaz Hock to Manchester University, he will not come out with a degree.'"

Not technically correct. He could still come back with a honorary degree for his contributions to rugby league.

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Quote: Damo-Leeds "Not technically correct. He could still come back with a honorary degree for his contributions to rugby league.'"



Hey Damo.............are you even sure that Gaz Hock can string a written sentence together ? I'm not. All he can do is play rugby, but he is/has ruined a possible great career.

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Quote: fleabag "The thing is, innate intelligence is like sporting prowess. You either have it or you don't.

We have always had players like Gaz Hock who, to put it delicately, aren't the 'sharpest tools in the box'. If they haven't got the wherewithal to start with, like in sport. If they aren't good enough, then your not in the team. That's life.

To put it another way, if you sent Gaz Hock to Manchester University, he will not come out with a degree.'"


Im not to sure about that it really isnt hard to get a degree. However i agree that just because a couple of players have outside interest, it doesnt meen they will all have the advice to do the same. I do however believe that gareth hock is one of the players with outside interests, orso I am lead to believe.

Making money is easy when you have it. Its making it in the first instance that is hard!

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Quote: fleabag "Hey Damo.............are you even sure that Gaz Hock can string a written sentence together ? I'm not. All he can do is play rugby, but he is/has ruined a possible great career.'"

You do not have to be able to string a written sentence together to get a honorary degree. Whilst Gareth Hock has no doubt ruined parts of his professional playing career, he has a lifetime to contribute to rugby league in other capacities and if he does, he might get recognised for his efforts by a place of higher education.

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I would suggest that even players from the hardest training squads have a decent amount of spare time. Clubs should (and I think do) offer options for learning skills or becoming educated in some way.
Whilst not many will make so much money they can sit back, plenty of players will earn a substantial wedge and make a big enough dent in a mortagage by the time they retire, meaning they don't need to be working as a brain surgeon to live comfortably.
Making sure that their players gain such skills and are set up for later life is a very positive move for clubs imo.

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Quote: Mr Churchill "For me it will be a great day when Shaun Edwards returns to rugby league in whatever capacity. He first left the game when he needed to work in London to be near his young son.

Having listened to his comments as summariser on the Premier Sports version of the England v NZ semi, it is clear his rugby league brain is absolutely as sharp and insightful as ever. Not to mention his passion for the game and for England.

Whether it's decided to replace Steve McNamara now or after a further contract(s), the only candidate for the next England coach for me is Edwards. Knowledge, experience, passion, know-how. A winner. Brilliant.'"


I'm not sure about the coach role.

I would like to see the RFL conduct a deep and thorough review of the game, from grass roots through to the England side, with a view to clearly understanding why we are not capable of producing a national team that is the best in the World.

This requires a small team with the resources and remit to interview and analyse at every level.

I think an ideal leader for that team would be Shaun Edwards. Intelligent, articulate, deep knowledge of the game, and the game's culture, commands enormous respect through his playing exploits, and has experience from outside the game. I'd like to see him teamed up with someone completely fresh, with experience of successfully building up an elite team to compete and win at the very highest level - Sir Dave Brailsford springs to mind.

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Said it on another thread, where do people pull their fantasies from?! Great though Dave brailsfords achievements have been how does this apply to RL and his understanding of the game and the environment that surrounds it? Good for a laugh sometimes this board is.

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