When has Widdop had any sort of opportunity to prove himself against the top 2? He gets a 20 minute cameo performance at 6. How anybody expects him to make a significant contribution in that time baffles me.
When Widdop has had a couple of 80 Mins games against the top 2 then we can decide.

Sinfield has had 13 Years playing for England and We always hear about his two MOM performances against NZ of why he should be playing for England. Yet a couple of 20 min cameo performances is enough for the same people to decide Widdop isn't good enough to play fr England.

Pot calling kettle etc.

Well considering your response was as a quote, directed from my post, I would say you were including me in that.



Tomkins was excellent in the 4 nations against Aus last time around and has not been as good this time (although he has stepped up his running with the ball in the last few games and may take that into tomorrow). Peacock looked good whenever he played, even in beaten sides, so you can stand out while all those around you flounder and I would expect that from an inspirational captain which is what Peacock was. Peacock knew it was time to go. Morley on the other hand didn't and rightly got the push as he was finished at that level.


Nice selectivity there, I said also that SOL should be captain for one or two years but you omitted that to suit your point. Also, Graham will not be there for the Exiles games and I believe that a home based player should be used to ensure we don't have to start from scratch for the end of season internationals.



What did I point out that wasn't sensible. To me (and others judging by this thread) I am right about Sinfield and McNamara. That you have a different point of view doesn't make me wrong, it just means you think you are right and I am not. I, however disagree with what you write and believe in my own opinion on this subject. That's the beauty being able to make your own mind up.

Please do not one on this board and make sensible comment, it is unbecoming of you and shows up the majority as the idiots they are.

I had the pleasure of seeing Widdop in 2011 and 12 playing for the Storm and he improved every game. You can see why St. George signed him. That said he was part of the great "spine" of the Storm team.

I also like Sinfield. Oh god now I will cop it!

I have watched Widdop in the NRL from time to time the past couple of years.I seen him play for Melbourne against Leeds earlier this year and have seen him for England, for what you rightly say has been limited time.I fail to see myself what all the hype is about from my viewings but maybe i am missing something.

I guess i wont have to wait long to see, as next year he is a big money buy for St George and big things will be expected.He wont have Cronk,Smith and Slater to hold his hand anymore so we will see if he can handle it.Im sure he will also get a shot at being the main man for England after Sinfield inevitably calls it a day.

I look forward to this saviour Widdop running rings around the SH sides for years to come.......

McNamara should stay, Sinfield should go, Widdop to take over at Halfback. What's Ratchford's passing like?

Change to (Team) Europe; it's an European Super League, pester the EU for funding, 12 team WC, 3 Groups of 4.

I quoted nobody, go back and have a look. You were just being paranoid because you knew you had posted incorrectly.




Tomkins has not stood out in any game yet against Australia and New Zealand. Would I drop him because of it? no I wouldn't because he is a class player, just the same has Sinfield proves week in week out, season after season, when playing in a good team.




Nothing selective, the exiles game means jack , and will probably be dropped. If changing captain it should be with a long term goal, and build around it.





Your not right, and given nothing to even argue a bit that you are right. Tell me which coach would have got better results and put us within a better chance of winning this world cup?

So before we even play in the semi, we are deciding who will be crap and who to drop? You've got to be kidding.
If you don't like Sinfield or McNamara then fine, say so. You can't justify it by saying if we lose he goes.

Especially Sinfield. He should be picked if he is the best for the job. Simple as.
If he plays a blinder in the final and lifts the trophy will his critics change their mind? Of course not, they'll find something to moan about.

Ironically, he is currently our top tackler as well kicker, passer etc

Couple of points.

I never said Widdop wasn't good enough to play for England I asked why hasn't he stood out in his game time so far.

If you want to not hear about Sinfields last 2 games against NZ stop saying he has never played well against NZ as he clearly has

I confess that Sinfield has been a lot better than I thought he'd be. I suspect he'll retire from international RL regardless of the outcome. McNamara will keep the job, possibly a slight risk of losing it, but only if we got absolutely thumped at the weekend, but it won't happen. NZ form has been much better than ours, but they'll be overwhelmed by Wembley and will lose to England by 16 or more. You heard it here.

An international coach will never please everyone and whilst I feel Widdop has been a bit wasted, McNamara has got the majority of his selections bob on IMO, both on match days and the initial squad. I could argue a case for Crabtree over T Burgess but other then that there's not a lot wrong. I think the majority of criticism that gets thrown his way is around selection and it's been just at times over the years. He's done a lot right as well in fairness to him. He's done well to get the training camps at Loughborough set up, he's utilised the pathway from Knights player to full international well and he seems to have got rid of the old club rivalries that seemed to effect the squad (a bit too well seeing as a mix of players went out and got sloshed).

Should he continue? A lot will depend on the next two weeks I feel. The preparation has been good and he has a good squad but so do the other teams we'll face. He's done as good a job as some previous and more vaunted coaches like Tony Smith and Noble did in fairness. He possibly has a better set of players though.

The Coach - not sure he's done alot wrong (although I would never have selected Chase).

Kevin Sinfield - that will depend on whether he calls it a day. If not, he'll be hard to ignore by anyone selecting an England team so long as he keeps his current form simply because he is one of our best players.

Widdop - can't see what people see in him. Less than average for me.

If England win the World Cup will McNamara and Sinfield get OBE's or a Knighthood?

The coach should be knighted. After all Alf Ramsey and Clive Woodward did. If we will this it is a far, far bigger achievement than England winning the Union WC (who with their playing numbers and resources should win their WC every time if they had any idea how to play their game).

I desperately want England to win the World Cup but I actually want it a little more knowing that RLFANS will go into meltdown at the thought of Sir Steve McNamara!

All this swiping at Sinfield is embarrassing. If Sinfield was poor in a sea of superb England performances, then you might have a point. But the reality is when England play well, you can pretty much guarantee Sinfield will have put in a good show. So why does nobody else cop the same amount of flak? This only serves to demonstrate the value of Sinfield to this England side.