Shows how far off the pace the game in this country is sadly.

But hey I like posters with imagination, especially those who think Sinfield is a great player rather just being than above average English player.

Contrary to what people may think I wish Sinfield was as good as Lockyer, Thurston, Fittler, etc. etc , if not better but he isn't primarily because he isn't a half back.

It's like having a gynaecologist doing open heart surgery.

This is becoming boring now. Nothing that hasn't been said before has been posted. Get over it.

He is in the team because of his kicking. WE have no other kicker in the squad

No one going to counter with Tomkins is a crap full-back? Westwood is a penalty machine?...etc like on all the other threads that some gomper CBA looking up?

Sinfield beings structure and organisation to the team just look how the wheels fell of against the exiles when he didn't play in the second half.

Do you think Widdop will ever be a regular No 6 for England, has he ever made more than a 30 min cameo appearance.

As he's 24, yes.

The irony is, everyone liked and respected Sinfield prior to him becoming 'the worlds best RL player'. Since then, everyone seems to have turned in him.

That's not remotely true.

Lock it. For the *%*@wits.... Stats from last week: live.nrlstats.com/matches/nrl/match25396.html Club bias & agenda free player ratings from last week by the Aussies: www.nrl.com/player-ratings-austr ... e_featured International player ratings since 2008: www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/austra ... 6494737540

Lock it. For the *%*@wits.... Stats from last week: live.nrlstats.com/matches/nrl/match25396.html Club bias & agenda free player ratings from last week by the Aussies: www.nrl.com/player-ratings-austr ... e_featured International player ratings since 2008: www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/austra ... 6494737540

How come people are not allowed to express their opinion when it comes to Sinfield?

Mine is very simple. He is an above average club player, who Leeds have built the whole club around. He has been successful there.

BUT

He is not good enough to start for England at 13, O'Loughlin & Burgess are FAR better.

He is not good enough to be a hooker for England, Roby, McIllorum, Houghton, Lunt and possibly a few more are better.

He is not good enough to be selected as a Half. To be perfectly honest the whole Brough Fiasco was a farce. I do not understand how anyone could stand up for Sinfield in that selection scenario.

Its not because Sinfield isnt a decent player, its because he isnt good enough to justify his inclusion, because he doesnt only have to be a normal player, he has to be the central figure of the team. We have better players to base our team around!

I have never rated Sinfield as an above average club player. Thats because would I want to pull out all the stops to sign him? no.

At Leeds over the last few years I would much rather have had other players they have had.

His Golden Boot was a farce & everyone know that. Not selected in the dream team or on the Man of Steel Short list yet somehow best player in the world for that year. I think everyone knows why he got it and anyone who tries to say he deserved it in my opinion is quite frankly insane. It is such a shame that a prestigious award like that got devalued by some individuals trying to make a statement!

Why is it that just because this has been said before people sweep it under the carpet. Surely alarm bells must be ringing that it continuously gets mentioned about Sinfield not being deserving of a place in the team let alone captaincy.

It is a valid opinion that many people have (and from what i understand it is only getting more and more apparent).

Its easy to say he is the best we have or we need a kicker or we need and organizer. But these people are just burying their heads in the ground and defending him. There are plenty of players who can play that role with great success. Brough was one of them.

What makes you so sure Brough could do it, if you could point me to any team Brough has captained and organised that has win anything that would be a good start.

No one is saying you can't have an opinion but you should expect that opinion to be challenged, Sinfield has no way been as bad as an international as is made out, 5 different England/ GB coaches over 13 years have considered him to be international class, I'd take their opinion over some people on a fans website.

This will quite rightly be Sinfields last tournement let's just get behind the team rather than constantly bagging our very good players.

Having an opinion challenged, particularly challenged with clear factual evidence, does not equate to not being allowed to have an opinion. Because someone tells you your opinion is idiotic does not mean you are not allowed to have that opinion.

Now, in this post you have repeatedly stated a subjective opinion. Can you give any objective reasons to back up why you hold the opinion that the multi award and multi trophy winning Leeds and England captain is only an average club player?

Which?

IMO I think Sinfield is a good player for Leeds but he doesn't seem to be able to always produce it on the international stage. I can't recall one match I have seem him play that he really stood out.

I thought he played ok last week against Aus but the problem I see is I never once thought he was going to take the line on and beat that 1st defender. I wouldn't even say he is the best we have in that position.

I don't agree with people changing nationality so this Brough saga doesn't bother me and don't even get me started on Chase! (if we were going to name a overseas half back in the England team why wasn't it Dobson!)

I'm more concerned that M.Smith or Myler both of whom teams made the GF weren't named anywhere near the England Team.

Is it because Sinfield tends to have a good kicking game? or with a Squad with a lot of younger players he offers international experience in the big competitions?

The team that England should be built around in IMHO is:

1. Tomkins
6 Widdop
7 M Smith
13 Burgess