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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: the artist "to get back on track a bit, where do you think the next sellout will be, KC stadium, craven park, workington? wonder just how many games could actually end up sold out'"


England games should all sell out....they may have to work hard for the Quarter final crowd at the DW with it being France in all probability, but I reckon Wembley will sell out.
If Wales manage to get a game v the Aussies in Wrexham, that'll sell out too.

If I were in England, Italy v Kiwis in the Quarter Final at Headingly would be a must see game and it's looking like Samoa v Fiji in the last QF...That'll sell out and be a WAR!

75,370 aggregate attendance over 5 games so far.

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Quote: gutterfax "England games should all sell out....they may have to work hard for the Quarter final crowd at the DW with it being France in all probability, but I reckon Wembley will sell out.
If Wales manage to get a game v the Aussies in Wrexham, that'll sell out too.

If I were in England, Italy v Kiwis in the Quarter Final at Headingly would be a must see game and it's looking like Samoa v Fiji in the last QF...That'll sell out and be a WAR!

75,370 aggregate attendance over 5 games so far.'"

Your figures are wrong.

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: SmokeyTA "Your figures are wrong.'"

Really?
45,052 rlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/36383/aussies-beat-battling-englandrl AND rlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/39671/italy-claim-wales-scalprl
7,481 rlhttp://www.rlwc2013.com/rugby-league-world-news/article/1235/france-hold-on-to-denyrl
13,965* rlhttp://www.rlwc2013.com/rugby-league-world-news/article/1237/kiwis-keep-their-cool-torl
8,872 rlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/36386/fiji-v-irelandrl

*I have seen the attendance at the HJ for the Kiwis and Samoa reported as 14,965 but am happy to use the figure reported on the official RLWC 2013 web site.....

75,370 people have attended 5 games so far. Because I choose to ignore your insane and inane ramblings about counting 45,052 TWICE, it doesn't change the fact that 75,370, going on the widely reported attendances, is the total number of people who have attended games so far.
The laws of mathematics state that to find an average, you add the numbers up and divide by the number of games.....15,074 is therefore the average attendance.

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Quote: gutterfax "Really?
45,052 rlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/36383/aussies-beat-battling-englandrl AND rlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/39671/italy-claim-wales-scalprl
7,481 rlhttp://www.rlwc2013.com/rugby-league-world-news/article/1235/france-hold-on-to-denyrl
13,965* rlhttp://www.rlwc2013.com/rugby-league-world-news/article/1237/kiwis-keep-their-cool-torl
8,872 rlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/36386/fiji-v-irelandrl

*I have seen the attendance at the HJ for the Kiwis and Samoa reported as 14,965 but am happy to use the figure reported on the official RLWC 2013 web site.....

75,370 people have attended 5 games so far. Because I choose to ignore your insane and inane ramblings about counting 45,052 TWICE, it doesn't change the fact that 75,370, going on the widely reported attendances, is the total number of people who have attended games so far.
The laws of mathematics state that to find an average, you add the numbers up and divide by the number of games.....15,074 is therefore the average attendance.'"

You have only listed 4 attendances.

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Quote: gutterfax "Really?
45,052 rlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/36383/aussies-beat-battling-englandrl AND rlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/39671/italy-claim-wales-scalprl
7,481 rlhttp://www.rlwc2013.com/rugby-league-world-news/article/1235/france-hold-on-to-denyrl
13,965* rlhttp://www.rlwc2013.com/rugby-league-world-news/article/1237/kiwis-keep-their-cool-torl
8,872 rlhttp://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/live/match-report/36386/fiji-v-irelandrl

*I have seen the attendance at the HJ for the Kiwis and Samoa reported as 14,965 but am happy to use the figure reported on the official RLWC 2013 web site.....

75,370 people have attended 5 games so far. Because I choose to ignore your insane and inane ramblings about counting 45,052 TWICE, it doesn't change the fact that 75,370, going on the widely reported attendances, is the total number of people who have attended games so far.
The laws of mathematics state that to find an average, you add the numbers up and divide by the number of games.....15,074 is therefore the average attendance.'"

You have only listed 4 attendances. It really would be insane ramblings to list 4 attendances as 5 games.

You are correct, the law of mathematics insist to find an average we add the number of attendances by the number of games.

You have already told us you have divided by 5 games, this necessitates that you have 5 attendances. Perhaps you could provide us with those 5 attendances?

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Quote: gutterfax "England games should all sell out....they may have to work hard for the Quarter final crowd at the DW with it being France in all probability, but I reckon Wembley will sell out.
If Wales manage to get a game v the Aussies in Wrexham, that'll sell out too.

If I were in England, Italy v Kiwis in the Quarter Final at Headingly would be a must see game and it's looking like Samoa v Fiji in the last QF...That'll sell out and be a WAR!

75,370 aggregate attendance over 5 games so far.'"


I agree that the Quarter Finals are shaping up for some big crowds as things stand, and they are the one part of the tournament where ticket pre-sales are understandably low.

If England put in good displays against Ireland & Fiji I can see a good crowd at the DW though, its if they just limp through where it may put fans off.

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: SmokeyTA "You have only listed 4 attendances. It really would be insane ramblings to list 4 attendances as 5 games.

You are correct, the law of mathematics insist to find an average we add the number of attendances by the number of games.

You have already told us you have divided by 5 games, this necessitates that you have 5 attendances. Perhaps you could provide us with those 5 attendances?'"


What I initially said before you baited your hook was 75,370 fans had attended the 5 games so far. Regardless of how much you want to believe that there were 90,000 people at Cardiff, there weren't....The same 45,052 watched both games and therefore are only counted once when defining the average attendance for the tournament. Ticket sales are what determine the recorded attendances.....45,052 people bought 1 ticket each.

Insecurity and desperation are rife amongst certain cliques of Rugby League stalwarts........it's quite embarrassing really that you cling to a few extra fans in the hope that the 30,000 empty seats will be forgotten. icon_biggrin.gif icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: gutterfax "8,872 announced for tonight's game bringing the total number of fans who have attended games at this RLWC to 75,370.

There still seems some confusion as to the gate at Warrington, but the RLWC official site has that at 13,965, so that's the figure I have used.

2008 first 5 games delivered 72,176, a tad over 4% ahead of that.'"


I know people have taken you to task over this and they are right.

Given that you state the total attendances is 75,370 totalling 4 games (as you will not allow the Wales game as a further attendance, you must therefore leave that out in that case for averaging purposes). The average is therefore 75,370 / 4 = 18,842.
Simples.

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: Little Ivor "1. The average attendance should be calculated for the 5 games that there have been so far, with a 45k attendance for each of the Cardiff games.'"


Actually, you work out an average attendance by taking the total number of people who have attended games and you divide it by the total number of games attended to discover the average.
FACT.....75,370 people have attended 4 events, but 5 games and therefore, the individual attendance average is 15,074.

Using your flawed formula for counting Double header attendances twice means that Sally Bolton's RLWC Target of 500,000 was 66% based on 2 events and 4 games icon_lol.gif

I am so looking forward to seeing 180,000 people packed into a 90,000 seat stadium for the semi-finals d040.gif

Why is it that some RL fans are so insecure and fretful that they cling to the "double header" like a security blanket?....the 5 games so far have all been entertaining and pretty well attended....

As for your rant Little Ivor. c020.gif c020.gif Chillax Brother....and enjoy the games k020.gif

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: saint at wire "I know people have taken you to task over this and they are right.

Given that you state the total attendances is 75,370 totalling 4 games (as you will not allow the Wales game as a further attendance, you must therefore leave that out in that case for averaging purposes). The average is therefore 75,370 / 4

The total number games is 5, the total number of fans at those games is 75,307 and the average attendance is 15,074.

The only way to adjust the average is to add to the actual and factual number of fans who were in attendance or reduce the number of factual and actual games that took place.

75,307 people have watched 5 games of RL. If you want to dispute the 15,074 average you need to change one of the two FACTUAL AND ACTUAL numbers.

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This has to be one of the most tedious arguments in the history of western civilization.....................

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Quote: gutterfax "The total number games is 5, the total number of fans at those games is 75,307 and the average attendance is 15,074.

The only way to adjust the average is to add to the actual and factual number of fans who were in attendance or reduce the number of factual and actual games that took place.

75,307 people have watched 5 games of RL. If you want to dispute the 15,074 average you need to change one of the two FACTUAL AND ACTUAL numbers.'"


You seem determined to pollute every thread with this nonsense, what a coincidence it conveniently matches your agenda. Your daft model insists on counting unique customers at this one single event but happily then allows the same unique person to be counted multiple times if they attend other pair of game combinations. And all because they got into these two Cardiff events on a single ticket? Statistical straw man nonsense. If the argument rests on how many individual fans attended games, you'd need to de-dupe the other matches too. Clearly that'd be a nonsense.

According to you if I buy a £70 combined ticket for the pair of matches in Cardiff, and then spend £30 on 2 x £15 tickets for the pair of PNG matches in Hull, I've only attended 3 games not 4? Even though the price of each game in Cardiff (£35) is more than double the price of each single game in Hull - so there's no withdrawing to the equally tenuous "you only paid for one match, the other was free" idiocy either...

Average attendance (the clue is in the title...) includes the 2 x 45k gates, aggregate sales might perhaps at a stretch include the 45k once - but even then I'd argue to be consistent you should combine tickets bought in other bulk buy price promotions too (there are several running). Really not that complicated matey.

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This is simple

The average attendance will include 2x 45,000s as the attendance if both games was the same. This is universally accepted as calculating a double header. I can cite examples from Football, Baseball, Ice Hockey, Basketball, Rugby Union and other League games where this is done.

The average number of people attending will need gutterfax to speak to every person to find out if they intend to attend more than one game.

Attendance does not equal people attending. It is based on the terms of the sale of ticket not who turn up.

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Quote: gutterfax "The total number games is 5, the total number of fans at those games is 75,307 and the average attendance is 15,074.

The only way to adjust the average is to add to the actual and factual number of fans who were in attendance or reduce the number of factual and actual games that took place.

75,307 people have watched 5 games of RL. If you want to dispute the 15,074 average you need to change one of the two FACTUAL AND ACTUAL numbers.'"


Absolute nonsense.

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13:00
Hull FC-LondonB
Sun 18th Aug
SL
13:00
Leigh-Salford
SL
15:30
Catalans-Hull KR
SL
18:00
Huddersfield-Castleford
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 6th Jul
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Canterbury13-12NZ Warriors
NRL
LIVE
Wests28-40Melbourne
NRL
LIVE
NQL Cowboys20-22Manly
SL
LIVE
Leeds17-16LondonB
WSL2024
LIVE
LeedsW6-16St.HelensW
WSL2024
LIVE
FeatherstoneW0-50WiganW
Fri 5th Jul
NRL 18 Cronulla16-20Gold Coast
NRL 18 Brisbane6-14Penrith
SL 16 St.Helens6-8Castleford
SL 16 Warrington48-0Huddersfield
SL 16 Wigan24-6Leigh
CH 14 Sheffield28-0Halifax
Thu 4th Jul
NRL 18 Parramatta16-32Souths
Sun 30th Jun
CH 13 Barrow0-36Wakefield
CH 13 Dewsbury12-38Bradford
CH 13 Halifax38-18Whitehaven
CH 13 Widnes16-24Batley
CH 13 York10-18Sheffield
L1 13 Cornwall10-16Crusaders
L1 13 Newcastle10-44Midlands
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 15 427 170 257 26
St.Helens 16 429 170 259 22
Warrington 16 406 213 193 22
Hull KR 15 383 201 182 22
Salford 15 295 288 7 20
Catalans 15 288 220 68 18
 
Leeds 16 291 286 5 18
Huddersfield 16 298 365 -67 12
Leigh 15 270 250 20 11
Castleford 16 246 435 -189 9
Hull FC 15 198 474 -276 4
LondonB 16 156 615 -459 2
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 13 486 142 344 26
Sheffield 14 382 217 165 22
Bradford 13 341 218 123 18
Toulouse 12 332 174 158 16
Widnes 13 315 245 70 15
Featherstone 13 330 283 47 12
 
Batley 13 205 286 -81 12
Doncaster 13 237 325 -88 11
York 14 285 293 -8 10
Whitehaven 13 266 358 -92 10
Halifax 14 270 405 -135 10
Barrow 12 203 339 -136 10
Swinton 13 260 332 -72 8
Dewsbury 14 168 419 -251 2
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